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To: kosta50; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; irishtenor; Blogger
They don't have to be apparitions. They can be our own mental projections, our wishes, our illusions as well as our delusions. When someone says "the Spirit guides me," I raise my eyebrows.

Yes, there can be misleading spirits.

That's why we're told to test the spirits by the word of God to make sure we are following the leading of the Holy Spirit.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." -- 1 John 4:1

If we begin with the presumption that the Holy Spirit DOES in fact work in the lives of God's children and leads them in sanctification, then the discussion becomes not "if" this is true, but if our personal experience is the true experience.

And again, our assurance comes by reading Scripture and recognizing ourselves as Trinitarian believers in Jesus Christ.

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" -- 2 Corinthians 13:5

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." -- 2 Timothy 2:15

And, IMO, that's why a presbyterian structure of the church is optimal -- a system of checks and balances among equals, rightly dividing the word of God, subject to a community of like-minded elders and presbyters.

8,791 posted on 02/03/2007 10:26:14 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; irishtenor
If we begin with the presumption that the Holy Spirit DOES in fact work in the lives of God's children and leads them in sanctification, then the discussion becomes not "if" this is true, but if our personal experience is the true experience

It's a wonderful day, Dr. E, because I enjoyed your reply and, miraculously, agree with most of it. :)

However, the verses you quote — although they address the topic — propose a self-test. That is not reliable, because there are no checks and balances.

And, IMO, that's why a presbyterian structure of the church is optimal -- a system of checks and balances among equals, rightly dividing the word of God, subject to a community of like-minded elders and presbyters

That is your opinion and I respect that, but checks and balances among equals and like-minded people are little more than patting each other on the back, imo.

8,826 posted on 02/03/2007 5:09:52 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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