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To: kosta50; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Quester
A shrimp is not a synonym for smallness, but a name for a marine animal that became a synonym for smallness. Thus, "jumbo shrimp" is not an oxymoron. ...... But I agree that 'free gift' is a redundancy in a strict sense, although the expression in its entirety is rather moronic.

Technically, "free gift" is not even a redundancy, as I explained earlier. When I answered, I took you to mean that "free" was a superfluous adjective. In common usage, there is nothing wrong with "jumbo shrimp" as an oxymoron. For a purest, the phrase "bitter-sweet" might do. My favorite example of a redundancy is "born-again Christian". :)

8,715 posted on 02/02/2007 6:34:33 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Quester; Kolokotronis
Technically, "free gift" is not even a redundancy, as I explained earlier

Well, it's like saying "cash is as good as money" or "at 10 A.M. in the morning." Do we have to get more graphic?

When I answered, I took you to mean that "free" was a superfluous adjective

It is a superfluous adjective. That's what makes it redundant. But it's also self-negating because it implies the possibility of a non-free "gift."

As for the KJV, just plain old gift would have sufficied. It would have been closer to what the Greek original says than "free gift."

For a purest, the phrase "bitter-sweet" might do. My favorite example of a redundancy is "born-again Christian".

Bitter-sweet is not an oxymoron. Sweet and sour is not one either. Born-again Christian is because it implies that one was born [a Christian] and was born again — a Christian!

Sometimes, an 'oxymoron' such as Jumbo Shrimp is an eye-catching product line name, because it involves, in addition to opposites, a pun. In other cases, the necessity for a simple name (brevity) creates them, such as born-again Christian, a name that requires a whole paragraph to explain.

However, the meaning of Grace is of utmost importance to Christians. As I told you already, an undeserved mercy would reflect God's love and patience with us more than 'free gift,' imo, and, as I said previously, that came with a caveat, so it is not unconditional. You can't receive grace and follow satan.

8,732 posted on 02/02/2007 8:57:53 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Quester
My favorite example of a redundancy is "born-again Christian". :)

LOL!!! What an excellent example.

8,758 posted on 02/03/2007 4:25:08 AM PST by HarleyD
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