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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quester; HarleyD
Annalex to FK: 2 Peter 1:10 : 10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, ...

FK: Peter is urging them to never forget what Christ has already done

The verse tells them "do this and you will not fall."

What this really means is that fall is possible and that it takes reminding oneself of Christ continually in order not to fall. In other words, you are not saved until you are saved (after you die).

Until then, God gives us opportunities to remian in His fold by cooperating with Him. But it is not certain by any stretch.

The real problem is that what +Peter is saying here is not exactly what +Paul was preaching in 'his' gospel. What I see in 2 Peter (a very late addition to the NT), and other later additions, is that the Church is trying to attenuate Pauline teaching.

8,565 posted on 02/02/2007 6:18:01 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quester; HarleyD; Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg
[Re: 2 Pet. 1:10] FK: "Peter is urging them to never forget what Christ has already done."

The verse tells them "do this and you will not fall." What this really means is that fall is possible and that it takes reminding oneself of Christ continually in order not to fall. In other words, you are not saved until you are saved (after you die).

I agree with "do this and you will not fall". All believers will do these things (perseverance). I think it really means that falling is hypothetically possible, and that no one should feel like he can rest on his laurels. In other words, POTS. One should do these things and be further confident for himself of the promises of assurance God also gives in other scriptures.

The real problem is that what +Peter is saying here is not exactly what +Paul was preaching in 'his' gospel. What I see in 2 Peter (a very late addition to the NT), and other later additions, is that the Church is trying to attenuate Pauline teaching.

I just see the Peter verse as coming at the same thing from another angle. I don't think it contradicts Paul in any way. If Paul can be seen as being in concert with James, then he certainly can be with Peter here.

9,304 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:16 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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