[Quix]

Ordination and confirmation are acts of the Holy Spirit.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! NO WAY.

I suspect that even in your system . . . the statement has been made some time or other that

ORDINATION AND CONFIRMATION are merely human system confirmations of

WHAT HOLY SPIRIT HAS ALREADY DONE.

i.e. thoughtful flattering rubber stamping what Holy Spirit has already done . . . so that the officials feel like they earn their keep and the flock have all the formal accoutraments to clearly detect someone super kosher--especially according to man's sanction--vs someone 'merely' Holy Spirit alone seems to sanction.

I mean, we have to have something for the gold braid makers and the gold floss weavers to do.

[Mad Dawg]

I get that you disagree. Typographical fireworks only raise the ambient temperature, leading to more heat than light. They do not persuade me of anything but rather tempt me to make judgments I ought not to make.