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To: blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
Remember Lucifer's sin was he wanted to be on a par with God and he was judged for it and lost his place, access and ultimately his freedom

And when God created Lucifer, did He predestine that Lucifer shall fall or not? Did Lucifer really have a "free choice" in his "rebellion" or was it something that, as FK says, God said must happen?

Did Lucifer have a choice to disobey God and not rebel? May I remind you that Judaism considers Satan a loyal servant of God, and not a rebel?

Do you believe Judas, then, was merely obeying what God commanded? Is Hitler, by the same logic, a mere servant of God, who "obeyed" what God "commanded?"

My impression is that Reformed Protestants either don't seem to realize that their theology implies that God is the author of sin, or they find it so threatening that they unconsciously deny it.

8,143 posted on 01/31/2007 5:10:21 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
"Can there be evil in the city and I have not done it?" (Amos)

"I create weal and I create woe." (Isaiah)

I get that "evil" and "woe" are not the same as sin, but still, the verses give one pause. Mind you, across the gates of Hell, says Dante, are these words:

GIUSTIZIA MOSSE IL MIO ALTO FATTORE
FECEMI LA DIVINI POTESTATE
LA SOMMA SAPIENZA E 'L PRIMO AMORE.

Justice moved my High Maker and Divine Power and the First Love made me

And, finally, "Knowing and seeing aren't causing." Everything is "now" to God. He doesn't "foresee" my sin, He sees it in His now but my future.

These are not offered as refutations nor as red herrings but as statements about what keeps me chewing on these questions.

8,145 posted on 01/31/2007 5:23:19 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: kosta50
God is the author of sin

Man-o manachevitz. I think ignoring this issue is a safe bet. I would if I were there. I have my own Roman Catholic issues but this one eats mine alive. :)
8,147 posted on 01/31/2007 5:54:34 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Mad Dawg; klossg
And when God created Lucifer, did He predestine that Lucifer shall fall or not?

Yes, it was no accident. Omniscience means that when God created lucifer, He knew that if He did so exactly in the way He did, that the result would be as it happened. He chose to create anyway. When lucifer fell, God was not surprised.

Did Lucifer really have a "free choice" in his "rebellion" or was it something that, as FK says, God said must happen?

In all honesty, I don't know how to answer that. I don't know how grace works with angels. All I can say is that lucifer's fall was just as predestined as man's. No surprises to God, and God always gets what He wants.

May I remind you that Judaism considers Satan a loyal servant of God, and not a rebel?

Really? I've never heard that. Do you have a reference?

My impression is that Reformed Protestants either don't seem to realize that their theology implies that God is the author of sin, or they find it so threatening that they unconsciously deny it.

Our theology does not at all imply that God is the author of sin. It holds directly against that. Others choose to draw their own conclusions on our theology which are not in concordance with it. I hope that some recent posting has helped to shed some light on this.

8,820 posted on 02/03/2007 3:01:21 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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