[HarleyD]

If anyone knew a Pelagian, it was Augustine. He could smell them a mile away.

With all due respect to Bishop Elias Minatios, his view is not grounded in scripture. You cannot become a "vessel of dishonor". God made all the vessels, some for honor and some for dishonor. What Bishop Minatios is trying to say is that you can overrule what God has designed.

But from other scripture we know, -- He is basing His election of the works of man.

Oh, brother. What heresy!!! God now base His salvation on how well someone lives their life. Well, throw out grace and mercy, we certainly don't need that!!!

Personally I would rethink this doctrine.

[annalex]

Bishop Minatios is trying to say is that you can overrule what God has designed.

Bishop Minatios got that form Jeremiah, the same source as St. Paul got the vessels similitude.

Well, throw out grace and mercy

Where did I do that. It is divine grace and mercy that make our works salvific.