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To: D-fendr
"The underlying physics of God is physics. Creation. But the sum total of creation does not equal God."

The physics of this world is not the same as in God's world. The physics of God's world is hidden. The world simply arises out of it.

"Transcend has a very specific meaning. Learn it and we can discuss it. "

I gave you the meaning and it's function. The only function it has today is to remove objects from reality into the realm of speculation. The old meaning of the word transcend no longer applies, because knowledge and understanding has advanced to the point that it's meaning and use is obsolete.

"Your problem here is reductionism. "

Reductionism?

"Thought requires a body and brain, but cannot be reduced to either."

The machinery of the brain provides the capacity for thought, without the capacity, their can be no thought. The word "reduce" doesn't apply.

"Else you end with absurdities like "True" is reducible to a biochemical event - and therefore there can be no objective reality."

True is a conclusion. The logical operations that where used to produce the conclusion require machinery to support both the operations and the consciousness of conclusion. That is the objective reality. The same capacity could have pondered another problem and came to the opposite conclusion. It makes no sense to claim "true" is a biological event, nor does it makes sence to say the word "true" exists w/o an underlying physics to support it's perception.

Re: "Time is a measure of existence."

" Not for God. "

Yes, for anything. I proved it, so the only alternative is to say A !=A.

"Theology attempts to explain why physics exists, it is metaphysics. You can't approach this perspective with your methods or requirements."

Theology can attempt to explain why the physics of this world exists. It can not attempt to explain why the physics in all worlds exists, because the physics of all worlds always existed. This world arose out of the physics of all worlds. The anthropic principle applies. We exist, because the physics of this world are just right. Theology must acknowledge what is and can be seen and focus on why it is, that anyone should believe in more than what can be seen. If any theologians insist on disregarding what is known and understood about reality, and embracing some transcendent alternate reality, that contradicts what can be clearly observed, what they say is clearly not a light on a lamp stand. It's a strong wind that attempts to blow that light out.

8,013 posted on 01/29/2007 3:10:09 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
To discuss philosophy and theology - or any subject really - requires a common language.

Transcend, physics, metaphysics, reductionism, objective reality and so on have specific meanings in these areas.

The logical operations that where used to produce the conclusion require machinery to support both the operations and the consciousness of conclusion. That is the objective reality.

No, I'm sorry, that's not objective reality as the term is properly used. I'm sorry, I don't see how to continue a discussion. It would take forever to define terms anew.

best regards and may God bless...

8,022 posted on 01/29/2007 4:00:34 PM PST by D-fendr
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