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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; The_Reader_David; Gamecock; xzins; Quix
Are you saying that Paul made an executive marketing decision to unilaterally sweep some things under the rug, even though in his extensive education he knew "they were protected by God's Laws"?

depends on which part of the NT you choose to believe, since the account of this 'Council' are not identical.

However, I do believe that he initiated it issue. In effect, they did break God's Laws when they dispensed with circumcision. removal of dietary restrictions was 'justified'with an account of +Peter's 'vision,' while in some sort of a "trans," of God allowing it. In doing so, the Church created a new religion, with +Paul as its author. We could argue that this was the religion the Jews should have been following all along, but that's another story.

By asserting that God did not fully reveal Himself to the Jews, we can assert that Christianity is only a "more perfect" (I am borrowing this oxymoron from a very famous state document) form of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But, that's not why God told the prophet He would give a New Covenant.

Rather, the New Covenant was to replace the Old Covenant made imperfect by the unbelieving Jews. There was no hint of any "foreshadowing" in that promise.

7,920 posted on 01/29/2007 6:59:49 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; The_Reader_David; Gamecock; xzins; Quix; Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
However, I do believe that [Paul] initiated it issue. In effect, they did break God's Laws when they dispensed with circumcision. Removal of dietary restrictions was 'justified'with an account of +Peter's 'vision,' while in some sort of a "trans," of God allowing it. In doing so, the Church created a new religion, with +Paul as its author. We could argue that this was the religion the Jews should have been following all along, but that's another story.

It certainly is another story, and a critical one. :) As we have seen, Paul came to preach the Gospel of Christ. Is circumcision necessary for salvation? Paul takes care of it in Galatians:

Gal 5:6 : 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Gal 6:15 : 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.

See also:

Col 3:9-11 : 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

So, do you think that Paul is correct here, or is he breaking God's laws?

By asserting that God did not fully reveal Himself to the Jews, we can assert that Christianity is only a "more perfect" (I am borrowing this oxymoron from a very famous state document) form of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But, that's not why God told the prophet He would give a New Covenant.

Well, God certainly revealed Himself enough to save the OT righteous. Christ said He came to fulfill the OT. Part of that fulfillment can be found in Paul's further discussion on circumcision:

Rom 2:29 : 29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

8,480 posted on 02/01/2007 1:26:34 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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