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To: D-fendr

If God has called you to give up worldly possessions yes, but to gain some special favor for what a good boy you were, no.

Christianity is not a "stay away" religion. There are moments in time where one may retreat for a while. But a life of retreating from society is not found in the New Testament anywhere that I have seen.

Rather, Jesus's words were

Mark 16: 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

And Matthew 28: 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

And Acts 1: 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And Matthew 5:13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


7,841 posted on 01/28/2007 10:44:11 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger
If God has called you..

If you thinking entering a monestery does not mean following God's calling, then maybe you don't know what's involved.

a life of retreating from society is not found in the New Testament anywhere that I have seen.

Hermits are rare, and completely alone for ever is rare if at all done. If you want a scriptural model, see St. John the Baptist.

Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Is everyone called to be a preacher? You realize too that monks teach other monks and that some are priests with the duties of priests?

I don't think you appreciate their contribution. Monks I've never met have helped me a great deal.

7,843 posted on 01/28/2007 11:10:53 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: Blogger; D-fendr

"If God has called you to give up worldly possessions yes, but to gain some special favor for what a good boy you were, no."

Monks don't abandon the world and possessions and concerns to gain a favor because they were good boys and girls. They do that so that they might die to the self and in so doing, the eye of the soul becomes clear. As the eye of the soul becomes more and more clear, a couple of things happen. First, the monk becomes increasingly aware of his own sins, of where he has "missed the mark" (which is what the Greek word for sin actually means; rather different than what the word has come to mean in the Protestant West, isn't it). This leads to profound repentence and further indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Second, the clearing eye of the soul begins to perceive the Uncreated Light of God and the monastic, having died to the self, is given a new life in the Light of Christ as a participant in the uncreated divine energies of God. It isn't a reward for being a good boy. It is the fulfillment of the Divine Purpose of our creation.

A couple of times you have said that we get all the grace we are going to get when we are "saved". I think I understand what you guys mean when you use the term santification, but it seems to me that "saved" means something different. Is this the concept that being saved is a one time event of some sort in the life of a Christian? Is it a +Paul on the Road to Damascus event? Once saved, is there anything else for the Christian to do to attain "santification"? If so, what and if one doesn't do it, what happens? In advance I appreciate your answer because I think it will allow me to understand your reaction to Christian monasticism.


7,851 posted on 01/28/2007 12:12:17 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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