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To: Mad Dawg
Sorry to take so long to reply, I had to find the post where you said that to reread it in context, 7415

You see good works as a gift of God and give Him all the glory.

Praise God!!!

In that regard, we are of a like mind, the mind of Christ (I Cor 2).

But if that truly is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic church, then why does this word “salvific” keep cropping up when we talk about the importance of works?

And on a related note, why do I read so often Catholics on this forum testifying that the Holy Spirit is not given to the ordinary Catholics?

IOW, if they believe they can do good without the indwelling Spirit of Christ then it is tantamount to saying they did the good on their own.

7,437 posted on 01/24/2007 12:02:05 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
BTW, that's not the first place I've written those words in recent FR religious wars. ;-)

But if that truly is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic church, then why does this word “salvific” keep cropping up when we talk about the importance of works?

They are on the road, steps on the way, and thus tending toward salvation. Maybe in that sense? Did you read my extending (boring) metaphor about the gift of a gym membership, from the guy who owns the gym, and drives you there, and supplies the trainer (whom he taught), and encourages you and then it turns out He's the one who made muscles and developed the way they get stronger when you exercise? And then some jerk (Like me) flexes his alleged muscles and says, "Look what I did!"

And on a related note, why do I read so often Catholics on this forum testifying that the Holy Spirit is not given to the ordinary Catholics?

IOW, if they believe they can do good without the indwelling Spirit of Christ then it is tantamount to saying they did the good on their own.


Yes, that would be absurd!

With respect, I think there may be a misunderstanding here. As I understand it, the Holy Ghost (and a bunch of other stuff) is given in Baptism (if not before, which is certainly not impossible -- I would venture to say definitely so when an adult presents himself for Baptism) and again at confirmation, and in lots of other ways. I would venture to say that NOT ALL the charismata of the Holy Ghost are given to EACH believer. It's a little glib, but my (Protestant) professor used to say, "It's 'The priesthood of ALL believers', not 'the priesthood of EACH believer.'"

How's that?

7,439 posted on 01/24/2007 12:40:40 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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