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To: Alamo-Girl
missing one of the names or titles of God is most disturbing to me. In this case, “God is the Rock.” In Hebrew, tzur - the Septuagint translation drops that term and uses something like God or Mighty One

Apparently, it wasn't disturbing enough for the Apostles, A-G, for they used the Septuagint (LXX).

I am not sure what wonderful combinations one can come up with by adding different accent marks, but one thing is for sure: whatever was written in the Septuagint was before Christ, and therefore cannot be accused of bias with respect to Him, unless you can show that dropping tzur is a latter-day corruption.

7,241 posted on 01/22/2007 8:25:46 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Buggman
I meant to ping you 7421
7,251 posted on 01/22/2007 9:27:23 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
me: missing one of the names or titles of God is most disturbing to me. In this case, “God is the Rock.” In Hebrew, tzur - the Septuagint translation drops that term and uses something like God or Mighty One

kosta50: Apparently, it wasn't disturbing enough for the Apostles, A-G, for they used the Septuagint (LXX).

Er, no, they didn't quote the Septuagint on that name for God, kosta50. That's why I included 1 Cor 10:1-4, Matt 7:4 and 1 Peter 2:7-8. They knew that God is the Rock.

They just weren't "quoting" Deu 32 specifically - and if they did, they could not have used the Septuagint because the meaning of tzur was lost in the translation.

This kind of indirect reference to the Tanakh is not raised in your and Buggman's conversation - not a direct quote, a Spiritual Truth out of the Tanakh.

The name(s) of God are more than a little bit important. It is our first "no strings attached" request:

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name...

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:11-12

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. – John 5:43

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. – John 17:6

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. – John 17:11-13

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. – Philippians 2:9-11

His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. – Revelation 19:12-13

And this from the Jewish corner:

The Name of God (Jewish Virtual Library)

Jews do not casually write any Name of God. This practice does not come from the commandment not to take the Lord's Name in vain, as many suppose. In Jewish thought, that commandment refers solely to oath-taking, and is a prohibition against swearing by God's Name falsely or frivolously (the word normally translated as "in vain" literally means "for falsehood").

Judaism does not prohibit writing the Name of God per se; it prohibits only erasing or defacing a Name of God. However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better.

The commandment not to erase or deface the name of God comes from Deut. 12:3. In that passage, the people are commanded that when they take over the promised land, they should destroy all things related to the idolatrous religions of that region, and should utterly destroy the names of the local deities. Immediately afterwards, we are commanded not to do the same to our God. From this, the rabbis inferred that we are commanded not to destroy any holy thing, and not to erase or deface a Name of God.

It is worth noting that this prohibition against erasing or defacing Names of God applies only to Names that are written in some kind of permanent form, and recent rabbinical decisions have held that writing on a computer is not a permanent form, thus it is not a violation to type God's Name into a computer and then backspace over it or cut and paste it, or copy and delete files with God's Name in them. However, once you print the document out, it becomes a permanent form. That is why observant Jews avoid writing a Name of God on web sites like this one or in BBS messages: because there is a risk that someone else will print it out and deface it.

Normally, we avoid writing the Name by substituting letters or syllables, for example, writing "G-d" instead of "God." In addition, the number 15, which would ordinarily be written in Hebrew as Yod-Heh (10-5), is normally written as Tet-Vav (9-6), because Yod-Heh is a Name. See Hebrew Alphabet for more information about using letters as numerals.

To me, dear kosta50, not translating tzur literally Rock - is in fact "erasing" a name of God in my view. That is why it bothers me so.

7,254 posted on 01/22/2007 10:26:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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