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To: Kolokotronis; Cvengr; D-fendr; annalex; HarleyD; Alamo-Girl
Well, I just read [Rom 6:10] in English and Greek. I don't see where one gets instant theosis out of Rom. 6

Being completely dead to sin is not theosis?

I looked at+John Chrysotsom's homilies X, XI (thanks D-fendr).

But let's look at what the Apostle actually says; at the relevant verses:

All in all, I think the protestants are reading these lines as basically saying: when you become a Christian you become dead to sin, free from sin and sin no more. That would be theosis (except that theosis requires a life-long dying unto oneself).

7,115 posted on 01/20/2007 6:22:57 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
...All in all, I think the protestants are reading these lines as basically saying: when you become a Christian you become dead to sin, free from sin and sin no more. That would be theosis (except that theosis requires a life-long dying unto oneself).

Most protestant denominations I'm familiar with would deny believers never sin after they've received eternal life and initial saving faith in Christ. Rather, while they remain in fellowship with God, they are dead to sin or separated from the penalty of sin. We become free from the bondage of sin because we have already the first hope satisfied in us, namely eternal life. Our next hope is in our remaining in fellowship with Him, putting on the mind of Christ, recognizing there are rewards for us in heaven based upon our good works performed through faith in Him when we perform according to His will and Plan. We also recognize we stumble repetitively in sin after salvation prior to the first death, but by calling upon His promises of 1stJohn 1:9 we still have life through faith in Him. Even though we are slaves to righteousness, we might still sin from the influence of the old man, disobey in our volition, but we nevertheless remain His and slaves to Him forever.

7,120 posted on 01/20/2007 7:29:29 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: kosta50

I'm somewhat familiar with the doctrine of kenosis, as it pertains to Christ in hypostatic union, but not as fluent in the language of theosis. Does it touch upon the indwelling of different persons of the Godhead in Catholic doctrines?


7,121 posted on 01/20/2007 7:31:42 PM PST by Cvengr
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