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To: kosta50

You skate very close to denying the Faith. The Orthodox Faith is not a 'subjective truth'. The Creed is objectively true, not just 'subjectively true'.

It might be good for you to remember the outcome of the Palamite Controversy: the hesychasts see the Uncreate Light. A merely 'subjective' experience would be created, and indeed a poor sort of created light without even such objective reality as the sun shining on our face.


6,668 posted on 01/17/2007 6:08:16 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David; kosta50

"It might be good for you to remember the outcome of the Palamite Controversy: the hesychasts see the Uncreate Light. A merely 'subjective' experience would be created, and indeed a poor sort of created light without even such objective reality as the sun shining on our face."

Excellent TRD!


6,672 posted on 01/17/2007 8:05:01 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: The_Reader_David
Objective truth is gravity. No one needs to be convinced of it. No one needs to hope it will work or that is is present. Yet no one can see it.

This is not denying the Faith. Faith is both personal and experiential. As such it is subjective, as its existence is known, experienced and evident only to an individual.

Faith is also objective in that it seeks God as its object. The God known subjectively to an individual seems to be strictly conformed to that individual's idea of God, which is as subjective and unique as any individual is.

That idea is based on many factors, from genetics, to personal experiences, family, home, neighborhood, culture, you name it. That's why we have zillions of diffreent renditions of God and only one rendition of gravity.

However, that doesn't mean God does not exist.

6,674 posted on 01/17/2007 8:34:11 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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