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To: HarleyD
The difference is the Orthodox would change the scriptures to fit the life style they feel necessary

Sounds exactly what +Paul did. Did he not change the dietary laws, the circumcision, the obedience to the Law? In what Scripture did +Paul find those ideas?

But you are wrong as to the Orthodox. We do not change Scripture or anything for that matter. We have a Divine Liturgy that has its roots in liturgical Judaism, the Liturgy of +James, +Basil the Great and +John Chgrystotom, the latest dating back 1600 years.

Please tell me, show me, what have the Orthodox changed? It is a common practice and the only one at that, for the Orthodox Church to refer to the Patristics, the Scripture and Councils to resolve any issues of misunderstanding, always going back to the basics and the beginning.

6,443 posted on 01/16/2007 8:37:58 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Here is what Peter had to say about the Epistles of Paul:

2 Peter 3:15-17

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness



Lest you try to turn this Scripture against Sola Scriptura, it isn't the Sola Scriptura folks that have a problem with Paul.


6,447 posted on 01/16/2007 8:45:05 PM PST by Blogger
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To: kosta50
Sounds exactly what +Paul did. Did he not change the dietary laws, the circumcision, the obedience to the Law? In what Scripture did +Paul find those ideas?

I thought the Apostles writings were divinely inspired by God, written by God through men. Isn't that what the Church teaches? The same can't be said for +Basil the Great or +John Chgrystotom. At least the early church fathers specifically pointed out what writings were divinely inspired. Now it seems the Church considers the writings of the early church fathers, in some cases, to be inspired writings when they never stated it to be so.

It is interesting to note how you really seem to have a problem with St. Paul. This is remarkable considering the fact that Peter told us to listen to his teachings and he wrote about 2/3 of the New Testament.

Please tell me, show me, what have the Orthodox changed?

Can bishops (priests) marry? Didn't we discuss this somewhere back on this thread? I know, you guys will say this isn't theology but Church discipline. A change is a change.

6,495 posted on 01/17/2007 5:03:45 AM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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