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To: Kolokotronis
[ I have never read anything by any of the Fathers which refers to the faithful as "αγιοι". ]

No human that ever lived after Adam and Eve are Holy(saints) in any respect, NONE..
Not the Pope, Mary Mother of Jesus, you or I.. or Mother Teresa..

Save imputed holiness by the blood of Jesus or..
other specific limited sacrifices before the cross..

Here is another word(holy) the greeks had no equal to in the Hebrew sense of Holy.. but a word was invented(morphed) to correspond to it in Greek.... The morphing of greek(and other language) words to represent totally Hebrew concepts must surely have confused many non Jews(gentiles)..

Hebrew and Greek are both much richer languages to express concepts than English is.. Its a wonder that the Bible could even be translated into English, fairly accurately.. The science of bibical translation was and is absolutely blessed by God.. Kenneth Wuest(greek scholar) translated the new testament and used AS MANY ENGLISH WORDS as possible to express the greek accuratly... I know of no other translation with that agenda.. even the Amplified... One Greek sentence(or WORD even) could possibly be many english sentences.. I'm awed by the science of biblical translation.. not being a translator myself..

Translating word for word to English would surely produce error..

6,380 posted on 01/16/2007 6:28:52 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Here is another word(holy) the greeks had no equal to in the Hebrew sense of Holy.. but a word was invented(morphed) to correspond to it in Greek.... The morphing of greek(and other language) words to represent totally Hebrew concepts must surely have confused many non Jews(gentiles)..

Sources! I need sources!

6,382 posted on 01/16/2007 6:33:47 PM PST by Mad Dawg ('Shut up,' he explained.)
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To: hosepipe
"Here is another word(holy) the greeks had no equal to in the Hebrew sense of Holy.. but a word was invented(morphed) to correspond to it in Greek.... The morphing of greek(and other language) words to represent totally Hebrew concepts must surely have confused many non Jews(gentiles).."

The words "αγια" and "αγοις" both existed in ancient and koine Greek and mean exactly what they say. They aren't made up words not found before the NT or the Spetuagint. What does the Hebrew word for "Holy " imply which is different from the Greek? If it is different, do you suppose perhaps that the writers of scripture meant for the Greeks words to mean something different?

6,385 posted on 01/16/2007 6:39:32 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: hosepipe

I rather agree with you.


6,431 posted on 01/16/2007 8:17:56 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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