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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; P-Marlowe; Quix; Forest Keeper; xzins; HarleyD; Gamecock
"because the pharisees think that eternal life comes form the scriptures."

What Jesus is saying is that the Pharisees think they have eternal life outside of Jesus and He is telling them that the scriptures testify that in Him is eternal life and they cannot see that.

John 5:38, "And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."


"My Church wrote the New Testament, not meraly catalogued it."

How did "your" church write the New Testament? John says we, not the church wrote.

1Jo 1:4 "And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full."

Peter says "holy men of God" not the church.

2Pe 1:19 "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost."

The majority of the authentic books were recognized by the various churches in the late first century, almost 300 years before Constantine declared Rome to be the seat, thus consolidating his political and religious power.
6,285 posted on 01/16/2007 12:29:37 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

The majority of the authentic books were recognized by the various churches in the late first century, almost 300 years before Constantine declared Rome to be the seat, thus consolidating his political and religious power.
= = =

THIS ONE HISTORICAL FACT

undermines a long list of hogwash.

It's like we are to bow and scrape before tradition and history

EXCEPT where it contradicts the theological/political winds of the ruling moss encrusted edifice.

Sigh.


6,325 posted on 01/16/2007 2:37:35 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; P-Marlowe; Quix; Forest Keeper; xzins; HarleyD; Gamecock
What Jesus is saying [in John 5:38f] is that the Pharisees think they have eternal life outside of Jesus and He is telling them that the scriptures testify that in Him is eternal life and they cannot see that.

He is not saying that through the scripture and outside of tradition we get eternal life, which was your original, mistaken, point.

6,341 posted on 01/16/2007 3:48:03 PM PST by annalex
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; P-Marlowe; Quix; Forest Keeper; xzins; HarleyD; Gamecock
How did "your" church write the New Testament? John says we, not the church wrote.

Correct. The New Testament was written by individual apostles, and their disciples, Catholic clergy all.

6,342 posted on 01/16/2007 3:49:41 PM PST by annalex
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