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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; xzins; betty boop; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; .30Carbine; ...
Men's belief in Jesus Christ depends on the knowledge of Jesus Christ, received from the Chruch who is sent by Him and intimately knows Him.

To the contrary, the knowledge is "in" the voice of Christ Himself – the Person – not the men who speak His words, copy it or transmit it electronically. Nor is it in the pressure waves (sound), papyrus, paper or electronic media.

This is an example in support of my objection to all of the doctrines and traditions of mortal men (Mark 7:7) - in that it attempts to anthropomorphize God - by attributing the power of God to man.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. - Matt 22:29

The Spiritual revelation that Jesus Christ is Lord, is not a form of knowledge which can be obtained by reason or sensory perception.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

I and [my] Father are one. – John 10:26-30

The second italicized phrase above is among the reasons I do not recognize any hierarchical organization of men which claims dispositive authority over the members of the body of Christ.

It is a Spiritually perilous thing for anyone to put himself between Jesus Christ and one of His sheep – as we can see in Matthew 23 and again here:

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! – Matthew 18:6-7

In no way do I doubt the good intentions of those who find themselves in a position of authority in any of the assemblies of the members of the body of Christ here on earth. The position requires exceptional humility and absolute dedication to Christ – but never can a mortal man pluck one of Christ’s sheep out of His hand.

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Rev 1:18

He did not hand those dispositive keys over to Peter, the church, the apostles or any assembly of mortal believers in this passage:

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. – Matt 16:19


5,888 posted on 01/14/2007 9:01:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; xzins; betty boop; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; .30Carbine; ...
Rats, I should have clarified my remarks at post 5888.

In the passage, John 10:26-30, the ones Christ was addressing were physically hearing Him. Their sensory perception and minds were working and Christ was speaking. But they were not spiritually hearing Him, because they were not of His sheep.

The “knowing” of Jesus Christ occurs in the spirit, when His sheep hear his “voice” then Christ “knows” them. Therein is the direct Spiritual revelation that Jesus Christ is Lord!

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

This power of God cannot be usurped or simulated by any man and any claims to the contrary I aver is a futile attempt to ‘anthropomorphize God.’

The knowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord can only come from Him. Thus it is the primary Spiritual "test:"

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: - 1 John 4:1-2


5,896 posted on 01/14/2007 10:43:21 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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[ This is an example in support of my objection to all of the doctrines and traditions of mortal men (Mark 7:7) - in that it attempts to anthropomorphize God - by attributing the power of God to man. ]

You've said this (anthropomorphize God) several times in this thread and other places(threads).. but so many different threads of "thought" have transpired(in many threads), I did not and have not addressed the comment..

It deserves addressing.. nobody has addressed that comment much..

People anthropomorphize animals by attributing human feelings and agendas(and more) to animals often.. but anthropomorphizing God deserves comment..

Many religions anthropomorphize God.. even christian religions.. which shows their (that religions) spiritual base, I believe.. Fleshly Mankind can anthropomorphize other things also..

Anthropomorphizing GOD seems to be an indicator of obscene spiritual error.. Anthropomorphizing the Father, or Jesus, or even the Holy Spirit is usually not indicated.. Usually anthropomorphizing Jesus is the "crime".. Seems to me to be some get confused with the triune God.. from those "trying to be christians".. or in some ways Jews(kabbalah)..

Much could be said on anthropomorphizing GOD..
Anthropomorphizing God would have its effect mentally and conceptually in many areas and indeed a "TEST" to spiritual revelation... You seem to be the ONLY one bringing this up..

Cudos to you for inserting this concept into these threads..
Because it is so very important..

NOTE: an·thro·po·mor·phize..
v.tr. To ascribe human characteristics to.
v.intr. To ascribe human characteristics to things not human.
** Another deffintion could be an·thro·po·mor·phizing GOD..
Many scriptures would support this as an error.. And many Rabbis(Jews) THINK this is what christianity is all about anthropomorphizing GOD.. supported by what many christians DO and think..

Privately this subject could be a thread all by itself..

5,908 posted on 01/14/2007 12:04:57 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; xzins; betty boop; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; .30Carbine
the knowledge is "in" the voice of Christ Himself – the Person – not the men who speak His words, copy it or transmit it electronically. Nor is it in the pressure waves (sound), papyrus, paper or electronic media.

True, -- but first the martyrs and then the scriptures testify to Christ. The Church is what Christ set up to testify to Him.

Spiritually perilous thing for anyone to put himself between Jesus Christ and one of His sheep

It is perilous if Christ is obscured, as is the case in Mt 18. It is what Christ asked us to do if Christ is revealed: "Teach the Gospel to every creature".

He did not hand those dispositive keys over to Peter

Why are keys to the Heavenly Kingdom and power to bind and loose not dispositive? The fact the Christ holds the same key at the Day of Judgement does no diminish the clear scripture of Matthew 16.

6,278 posted on 01/16/2007 12:06:49 PM PST by annalex
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