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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Blogger; Kolokotronis
MONKFAN: Are you seriously asserting that there was no resurrection of the dead ~the reuniting of the immaterial nature of man with the physical body~ BEFORE Christ's ressurection?

If so you are incorrect. Lazarus immediately comes to mind, as does the young girl that Jesus resurrected. That's just New testament. There are also Old Testament examples of dead people being resurrected.

I'll take your point. However, I don't think that's a fair comparison given that, unlike our resurrected Lord, Lazarus was raised into the same fallen body and eventually reposed. But thank you for that observation.

What I've been trying to understand is whether or not Blogger believes that the dead are all still dead, despite Christ's work on the cross. Orthodox Christianity teaches that death was annihilated by Christ when he descended into Hades.

As Kolokotronis posted earlier, quoting St. John Chrysostomos:

"Let no one fear death, for the Death of our Savior has set us free.
He has destroyed it by enduring it.
He destroyed Hell when He descended into it.
He put it into an uproar even as it tasted of His flesh.

Isaiah foretold this when he said,
"You, O Hell, have been troubled by encountering Him below."
Hell was in an uproar because it was done away with.
It was in an uproar because it is mocked.
It was in an uproar, for it is destroyed.
It is in an uproar, for it is annihilated.
It is in an uproar, for it is now made captive.

Hell took a body, and discovered God.
It took earth, and encountered Heaven.
It took what it saw, and was overcome by what it did not see.

O death, where is thy sting?
O Hell, where is thy victory?

Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!
Christ is Risen, and the evil ones are cast down!
Christ is Risen, and the angels rejoice!
Christ is Risen, and life is liberated!

Christ is Risen, and the tomb is emptied of its dead;
for Christ having risen from the dead,
is become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep."

Do Protestants teach something else?

5,517 posted on 01/12/2007 6:00:04 PM PST by monkfan
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To: monkfan

The dead never were dead in the sense that they cease to exist. Some die and go to eternal punishment some to eternal joy. Fact remains, both at some point died. It is appointed to man once to die and then the judgment. All but Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah; who have been in human bodies, have died. They are dead though they live. Jesus died, rose, and is in a glorified body.

Currently, Jesus is the only one with a glorified body. Scripture says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Revelation and I Corinthians speaks of a day when we will received immortal bodies. Christians who have died on earth do not have those bodies, but they live. Because of Christ their bodies will be raised incorruptible as well - while they themselves are currently in the presence of the Lord.

Nothing in Scripture says we are to try to contact them. The Old Testament forbids trying to make contact with the dead.


5,527 posted on 01/12/2007 6:17:38 PM PST by Blogger
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To: monkfan

Most protestant sects embrace Anselm of Canterbury's barbarous theory of the substitutionary atonement as the sole explanation of Our Lord's saving death. Phrases like 'he paid the price,' are common among them, with not a hint of "trampling down death by death" evident in their thinking.


5,582 posted on 01/12/2007 8:41:08 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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