[P-Marlowe]

For if you're correct, His Church mislead billions of Christians and they all went to Hell until the 16th century.

Crikey!

Let me make this perfectly clear. Not one member of the Invisible Church of Christ (i.e., the body of True Believers in Jesus Christ) will ever spend a day in Hell. The institution known as the Roman Catholic Church does have members of the Body of Christ in it, but the institution known as the Roman Catholic Church is not the Body of Christ.

And Baptists (in spirit and in truth) have been around since Pentecost and many of those who call themselves Baptists are also members of the Church of Christ.

So get off your high horse. Salvation resides in Christ and not in some building in Rome.

[bornacatholic]

Really? Baptists have been around since Pentecost.

I guess that Church was not only invisible, it was silent, until the appearance of the very voluble John Smyth in the early 17th Century

BTW, we Catholics can cite Early Church Fathers discussing The Catholic Church.

Please ping me to any, oh, I dunno, evidence, of a Baptist Church, say, prior to, oh I dunno, the 16th Century

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Here's a great site by James Swan who's written extensively (often as rebuttal to Dave Armstrong) about the lies being disseminated about Luther and his beliefs about Mary.

His homepage is here...

For The Record: On Luther's Mariology

And the first of several excellent papers is here which he introduces by saying...

"*Luther's Theology of Mary* -- This paper was originally written for a class at Westminster Seminary. This paper takes a look at Luther’s understanding of Mary. Some Roman Catholics perpetuate the myth that “Luther was extremely devoted to the Virgin Mary.” While having nice things to say about Mary, Luther’s Mariology is not modern-day Roman Catholic Mariology. Luther’s Mariology stands in direct contrast to the midieval Mariolatry of his day..."

Martin Luther’s Theology of Mary