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To: annalex; The_Reader_David; wmfights
Naturally, the usage changed, and it continued to change following the closure of the Canon. To mechanically force the same word as translation across books and timeframes is to introduce confusion not intended by either St. Matthew or St. Paul.

In recent time many words changed their meaning or aquired new meanings nearly obscuring the old.

Fine. All you did is substitute "elder" for "ancient". Both translations correctly avoid "priest" because St. Matthew did not mean either a Christian priest or a Jewish priest; but St. Paul surely did mean a Christian priest in Titus and Timothy, when the Church was functioning.


4,938 posted on 01/10/2007 4:49:43 PM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: HarleyD

I'm not sure if I understandd the question. But maybe it's relevant to point out that the Cathoic rule about celibacy for clergy is NOT considered doctrine but rather a matter discipline , and one which permits of exceptions. There are, in fact, married Roman Catholic priests, and there are married priests in rites in communion with Rome.


4,940 posted on 01/10/2007 4:56:06 PM PST by Mad Dawg (How many angels can swim the the head of a beer? -- Roger Ramjet, 1967)
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To: HarleyD; The_Reader_David; wmfights
While English words changes, the Greek never does

Really? Why? This verse, following your application, would suggest there are many priests per church laying hands on people

St. Paul here says that the laying of hands introduced Timothy into the presbytery, that is into priesthood. Or if you want to stick to your linguistic contortions, into the elderhood, -- much sense would that make.

Peter called himself an "elder" in 1 Peter 5:1

No he did not. He called himself sympresbyteros. You translate that, -- you are the one with the dictionary.

husband of one wife

Yes, the Early Church ordained married men into priesthood. Now we don't in the Latin Church. Where do you see a "pickle"?

4,943 posted on 01/10/2007 5:05:40 PM PST by annalex
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