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To: The_Reader_David
No objection from us Orthodox on that assertion. The problem is, on all the contentious issues on this thread (until bornacatholic had the bad grace to start invoking the Latin understanding of St. Peter's confession and related matters), any understanding of the Church held by Christians prior to the 1500's, East or West (unless you're going to invoke the Assyrians on behalf of Blogger's Nestorianism), speaks against the protestant positions expressed here.

Fundies like myself are particularly disinterested in the history of Christian beliefs. We are always left frustrated because to us the pertinent discussion is what the bible says right here and now. There is no real reason to even believe what we hear that such and such group believed in such and such century. If it's not biblical history it's not reliable history. Catholics are so quick to drop names and say who believed what, when. I only wish they were as familiar with the actual bible.

So what we hear is name dropping rather than scripture dropping. Obviously two very different beliefs as to what is of value and what is worthy of our study time.

4,885 posted on 01/10/2007 9:58:47 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: DungeonMaster
We are always left frustrated because to us the pertinent discussion is what the bible says right here and now. There is no real reason to even believe what we hear that such and such group believed in such and such century. If it's not biblical history it's not reliable history.

To a degree, I share in your concern about historical manuscripts. It is not so much what has been preserved over the years, but what has not been preserved - or worse, what may have been intentionally destroyed.

4,889 posted on 01/10/2007 10:40:01 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: DungeonMaster
LOL...

If one went to Daily Mass, one would hear the whole of Scripture - beginning to end. Show me a protestant community with such a plan

Scripture dropping is what the Early Church Fathers did in fighting the heresies of scripture droppers.

The Devil himself quotes Scripture.

Being ignorant of history and heresies will not serve you well.

Besides, when I quote Scripture it is gainsaid or responded to with "That is not what it means..."

Fine. Then what does Scripture tell us to do when there is disagreement? Tell it to the Church and let it decide. And it has..yet you appear not to want to learn about it, to say nothing about you being willing to accept decisions taken by the Church - such as the decisions and Teachings of Ecumenical Councils.

You forthrightly reject the authority of the Pope even though Jesus Himself made him the head of His Church. So, what profit is there in scripture dropping?

4,911 posted on 01/10/2007 12:07:02 PM PST by bornacatholic
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