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To: Dr. Eckleburg
W*H*A*T T*H*E *?*

I'm kind of liking this post for starters.

How we coming on the "Substance" question? Surely you see that once you so grossly mischaraterize our teaching on something as accessible as the doctrine of the Eucharist I am going to have a really tough time with issues concerning judgment and sources and whatnot? It really looks like FIRST you decided we were credulous idiots and THEN you hastily constructed and misintepretation of one of our teachings. I'm going to need some help getting over this impression.

Of course I'm aware that a number of people have a sort of symmetrical blood libel against us. I'm also aware that any responsible enquirer would see that, at worst, it's not a slam-dunk either way, and that, at best, Pius XI did pretty well.

4,419 posted on 01/08/2007 9:11:17 AM PST by Mad Dawg (horate hoti ex ergon dikaioutai anthropos kai ouk ek pisteos monon; Jas 2:24)
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To: Mad Dawg; Blogger; HarleyD; blue-duncan; xzins; Forest Keeper; P-Marlowe; wmfights
it's not a slam-dunk either way, and that, at best, Pius XI did pretty well

LOL. Forget Pius XII; let's discuss Pius XI?

See these roses in my left hand? (Never mind the gun in my right hand.)

MD, your rhetoric is consistently inflammatory, even when directed at yourself because you're paraphrasing my remarks to appear as you misstate. Having been on these threads for years, I know full well who gets banned and why.

The Protestant view of the Lord's Supper is one of spiritual presence and grateful commemoration -- "Do this in remembrance of me." It is a symbolic grace to be partaken of by the elect, for the welfare of the elect.

To extrapolate the Lord's Supper into alchemy (which is precisely what the word "transubstantiation" implies) is to bestow on the "priestly" class a distinction never given them in Scripture -- an ability to literally change bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Christ. I'm aware RCs revere this alchemy. Protestants are repelled by it, recognizing the mass attempts to crucify Him anew every time it's performed.

TRUE AND FALSE WORSHIP
by John Knox

"The matter is not of so small importance, as some suppose. The question is, whether God or man ought to be obeyed in matters of religion? In mouth, all do confess that only God is worthy of sovereignty. But after many ­ by the instigation of the devil, and by the presumptuous arrogance of carnal wisdom and worldly policy ­ have defaced God's holy ordinance, men fear not to follow what laws and common consent (mother of all mischief) have established and commanded. But thus continually I can do nothing but hold, and affirm all things polluted, yea, execrable and accursed, which God by his word has not sanctified in his religion. God grant you his Holy Spirit rightly to judge." -- John Knox

4,423 posted on 01/08/2007 9:44:21 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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