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To: blue-duncan
"Will of the flesh" is to be carnally minded.

That is an oxymoron. When we follow the flesh we are not rational. There is no "mind" in flesh. We are held accountable because of our reason, and not because of our flesh.

4,400 posted on 01/08/2007 6:49:02 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
I'm going to venture to question you here. I think Paul uses "sarx" as, so to speak, a "term of art". "Sarx" is opposed, in APul's writings, not to "nous" (or "phronema"? that's a word I don't know much about) but to "pneuma".

So we have "to gar phronema tes sarkos thanatos, to de phronema tou pneumatos zoe kai eirene." The phronema of fleh is death, but the phronema of spirit is life and peace. And he continues "For the phronema of flesh is enmity to God, for it is not obedient to the law of God because it can't be." [Dawg translation]. Anyway, if we grant that phronema means mind, then "Carnal mind" is a scriptural usage, so we have to wrestle with it. Wow, that was some movie, wasn't it?

4,403 posted on 01/08/2007 7:06:07 AM PST by Mad Dawg (horate hoti ex ergon dikaioutai anthropos kai ouk ek pisteos monon; Jas 2:24)
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To: kosta50

"That is an oxymoron."

No, it is a statement of fact; flesh, "denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God".

1 Cor. 1:25-31, "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."

Rom. 12:2, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

2 Cor. 10:4-5, "(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"


4,406 posted on 01/08/2007 7:16:50 AM PST by blue-duncan
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