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To: bornacatholic; Kolokotronis; sitetest; BlackElk
EVERY Christian is guided by the Holy Spirit to read and interpret Scripture as they see fit but YOU are forbidden to read what Luther wrote and then write what you think he meant

Sure seems that way, doesn't it? They say it's because I know nothing about Luther. Yet, how much do they know about the Apostolic Faith? Yet, they call it mysticism and they call Jesus a man. They tell me that the Beatitudes were meant only for the people gathered at the Mount. Goodness!

4,083 posted on 01/05/2007 8:00:33 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Are you denying Jesus' humanity?


4,085 posted on 01/05/2007 8:32:57 PM PST by Blogger
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis

You know enough to misinterpret him. Please do not make the mistake of glossing over the sins of your church which helped produce a Luther. The Roman Catholic church was in a real mess in those days and had been for centuries. Probably something to do with those second sons of European Aristocracy that held most of the church posts as a means to money and power rather than pious men drawn to service to God. (See Simony, Pluralism, Selling of Indulgences, etc.,)

Luther was a learned theologian. He knew the Greek well enough to be able to put the Bible into the Vernacular. It was from his studies that he found freedom in Christ from the bondage of his past. His personal confessor was actually a pretty decent guy. But the church hierarchy was quite corrupt. God called Luther out of Babylon and in the mean time healed Luther of his views of God as the harsh unpleasable disciplinarian (like Luther's father was) by showing to him through Scripture his grace, mercy, and love.

Luther did not encourage people to sin. He could be a raskal in making his points, but if you continue reading Luther, you realize he isn't really giving folks a license to just go sin uncontrollably. He is showing them that even if they were to commit horrendous sin, that Christ's sacrifice and grace was sufficient and we needn't worry about being cast out by our God. God's grace is sufficient, even when I have really blown it big time.

What that does is gets our focus off of doing enough works to please a hard to please God, or at least doing as little sinning as to avert his wrath to focusing on the grace and love of God towards us, the full extent of the atonement of Christ, and what we may do for him because we love him.

Again, you can't take Luther's "sin boldly" comment out of the context of Luther's thoughts. He said "sin boldly, but believe MORE boldly." Luther believed that the more you put your trust and devotion towards Christ the less you would sin. He also prayed to be protected from the evil one's seductive schemes. Luther did not wish to be a sinner, as no Christian would. He just said that WHEN we do sin, even if it is a lulu, we needn't fear coming back to the Lord and starting over again because Christ's sacrifice was sufficient.


4,087 posted on 01/05/2007 8:45:26 PM PST by Blogger
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To: kosta50
They tell me that the Beatitudes were meant only for the people gathered at the Mount.

*Yep. At best, that is just insane.

But, it is ok. That is just Scripture. It's not like one is writing something negative about the protestant demigod, Luther :)

4,102 posted on 01/06/2007 2:51:56 AM PST by bornacatholic
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