[kosta50]

[Blogger to Kosta:] Oh, and I have a feeling that Luther's "Sin Boldly" which you all love to quote is somewhat akin to Athanasius' "Jesus died so we can be God."

That is an outstanding comparison, Blogger. :) Fair is fair. I'm going to remember it. :)

Akin? They are 180 degree opposites, FK. One is telling you to sin, the other to become perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

[Blogger]

Kosta. Don't pretend to act like an authority on Luther. You clearly are either1)clueless as to his point or 2)deliberately distorting his point. Either way, it'd be best to let it go.

[Mad Dawg]

What Luther proposed is immoral, contrary to everything Christianity believes: he is calling on us to sin and not worry. If +Augustine said something similar, then he was immoral too.
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One is telling you to sin, the other to become perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

With fear and trembling, I venture to disagree. But not being a Luther Scholar I will cast my disagreement in terms of my own experience.

When I come down from the temple, I catch myself saying, "Wow! I bet I was as humble as the publican! No trace of Pharisee here! I am PROUD of my humility! As Click and Clack say,'It's my humility which makes me great.'

"Oops!

"Oh darn, WHEN will I EVER be able to do ONE thing, just ONE thing, right, without looking over my shoulder and listening for angelic applause? When will I be able wholeheartedly to trust myself to the love of God? How can I free myself from always asking, 'Was that sincere enough? Will God like it? Did I do it right?'"

And what I hear Luther saying is something like, "For crying out loud, Dawg, get OVER yourself! You are going to mess up. God is not surprised and not disappointed. He still loves you and will accept your half-hearted and insincere repentance and even your poor substitute for humility as a down payment on the good He plans on enabling you to do. Be bold when you sin, of COURSE not in the sinning, but in the moment of realizing that once again you blew it, because 'a broken and contrite heart He will not despise'. And don't let the very high probability of your sinning again real soon cast you into despair. Pick yourself up, commend yourself to God, and keep on trucking."

Against such, I think, there is no law.

So, Blogger, am I more or less on trck wwith Luther here? And kosta50 whether Luther said it or not, is what I just said okay? And if not, why not?

Okay, just give me a minute to get back into the bunker here.... Okay, fire at will.

[wmfights]

...Athanasius' "Jesus died so we can be God."

As I'm reading this, the statement is that we will be Gods. Is this EO doctrine?