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To: D-fendr

Saving grace, yes. Grace, no. Even the lost experience the grace of God. They live in a beautiful world. They usually have at least some measure of blessings though they are disposed against God. The thing is, no matter what, left to our own we will never choose God.

I only say that there is no free will because man is bound by sin. The chains of sin isn't a state of freedom. Yet, from the standpoint of being free to choose God, God does not withhold that choice from them. He isn't saying NO, you can't come. Though being God, he knows that nobody would come.

Through Christ, we were able to taste true freedom for the darkness which sin kept us in (which we willingly embraced) was lifted and we were made alive to God's truth.


3,577 posted on 01/02/2007 7:36:54 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger
Ok.. I think I'm getting closer to understanding..

Saving grace, yes. Grace, no..

But.. by definition, I'm guessing, "saving grace" is grace that saves, so by definition saving grace for un unsaved is impossible. So, it's kinda pointless to distinguish here.

Would you agree that sufficient grace is given but not all respond to it.

I'm guesssing not, but I have to give it a shot.

3,580 posted on 01/02/2007 7:45:02 PM PST by D-fendr
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