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To: Kolokotronis
we've muddled along

That was my point.

God is much more knowable for those who trust in Him, by the grace of God alone.

"Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." -- John 6:35-40

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." -- John 10:27-30

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself" -- Ephesians 1:4-9

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." -- Hebrews 10:14-17

"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. " -- Romans 11:29

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -- John 16:33

3,445 posted on 01/02/2007 2:00:57 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"God is much more knowable for those who trust in Him, by the grace of God alone."

Knowable in what way, Dr.E? Orthodoxy has always taught that the "knowledge" we have of God is only by virtue of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by which we are transformed so insofar as achieving theosis by grace, I think we are in agreement, but I can't tell from your statement what you think the whole point of belief is and what role "knowledge" has in that.


3,459 posted on 01/02/2007 3:12:49 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Kolokotronis
God is much more knowable for those who trust in Him, by the grace of God alone

Nonsense! God came to call the sinners to repentance! [Cf Luke 5:32] Nothing is "imputed" without repentance.

3,591 posted on 01/02/2007 8:48:49 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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