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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Kolokotronis; jo kus; bornacatholic
You have no scriptural or apostolic authority to back up your claim that Mary never sinned

She was filled with grace. That's the same as saying she was made sinless. The Orthodox hold that this happened at the Annunciation. The Catholics hold that it happened at her conception by her parents. Either way, she was made sinless the same way as we are made sinless through God's grace.

Our disobedience is made into obedience. Or as +Augustine puts it "[A]ll the commandments are considered fulfilled when whatever is not fulfilled is forgiven." [The Fathers of the Church, Vol. 60, Retractions, p.81]. We believe that once she was filled with grace she chose not to sin.

3,419 posted on 01/02/2007 12:34:05 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Kolokotronis; jo kus; bornacatholic
She was filled with grace. That's the same as saying she was made sinless.

We are all made sinless by grace. That does not mean she didn't sin, it merely means that God has declared her righteous by her faith. The same as he declared Abraham righteous by faith.

Tell me kosta, are filled with grace? Are your sins forgiven? Are you righteous in God's eyes?

3,420 posted on 01/02/2007 12:39:00 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: kosta50; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Kolokotronis; jo kus; bornacatholic
[Mary] was filled with grace. That's the same as saying she was made sinless. The Orthodox hold that this happened at the Annunciation. The Catholics hold that it happened at her conception by her parents.

I have a memory from the L&E thread that is just barely strong enough to mention, but I thought that the Orthodox view was that Mary was filled with grace at around age 3, when she entered the Temple. I also want to say Palamas, but I have no quote. :) If I'm all wet then I apologize. I'm just trying to keep the differences straight in my head. :)

3,973 posted on 01/05/2007 2:57:53 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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