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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus

"FK: "One reason I can't reach the Roman Catholic level of veneration for her is that she got so little ink, as it were.""

All kinds of ink was expended on her by the men who established the canon of the NT, FK. They venerated her. They named temples after her. Were they right about the canon and wrong about her? If so, why?


3,177 posted on 12/30/2006 4:32:36 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; jo kus; wmfights; blue-duncan; kosta50; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; P-Marlowe; ..
All kinds of ink was expended on [Mary] by the men who established the canon of the NT, FK. They venerated her. They named temples after her. Were they right about the canon and wrong about her? If so, why?

Sure, they were right in recognizing what God's Church had already identified, for the most part, as the Canon. God leads Christians of all faiths. I do not need to hold that the Fathers were wrong about everything for my beliefs to stand. :) Further, I am sure that some of their extra-scriptural beliefs were just fine, too. Really. Those things that were in scripture they were very right about. However, I think they were wrong about Mary because many of those things appear to contradict scripture.

The scriptures, i.e. the Apostles, gave her none of the kind of attention that came later. I can't explain this. Had the Apostles recognized her like the later writers did, in ANY real sense, then I would be fine with venerating her like you do. But for some unknown reason it never worked out like that. I can't explain why those who actually knew her and walked with her relatively ignored her in their writings, yet those who came later and never knew her thought she was the greatest human who ever lived outside of Jesus. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

Somewhere, "perhaps" it was Joe (but I'm not positive so apologies if they are due, Joe :), I was given the argument that, as I remember, Mary got no ink because she and her absolutely incredibly amazing story was simply a given among the people. Everyone knew about her so nothing needed to be said in scripture. I can't accept this because, for one thing, Luke tells us specifically how important he thought it was to write things down (Luke 1:3-4), and he even gave Mary much of the precious little ink she got. For another thing, if it was true then that same argument could simply be used for all extra-scriptural beliefs, but we know that can't be right, especially in this company. IOW, any RC could say for example that all believers already knew that the pope was the ultimate authority, and that's why this does not appear in the Bible.

I mention this because (going way back to the middle of the L&E thread) it has been the ONLY direct attempt at all (to my memory) from any RC or Orthodox to answer my question about why Mary got no ink in the scriptures. I find it inescapable that the pedestal she has been placed upon was only built later, after the Apostles were all gone. The Apostles knew the facts better than their successors, and yet how did they "treat" her in scriptures?

3,770 posted on 01/04/2007 1:23:25 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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