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To: jo kus

God does not stand and hold anyone back from Salvation. If someone goes to Hell, it is because they have rejected the message which God gave them and because they are a sinner.

However, nobody comes to the Father unless the Spirit draws him, and of all that the Father gives Christ he will lose nothing. The very faith to believe is a fruit of the Spirit of God in our lives, for our nature will give us an inclination to turn from God, not to Him.

We are much closer together on man's righteousness than one would imagine. But I am "Calvinistic" (non hyper-Cal) in my view of how man fits into the equation.


2,924 posted on 12/24/2006 10:58:03 AM PST by Blogger
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However, nobody comes to the Father unless the Spirit draws him, and of all that the Father gives Christ he will lose nothing. The very faith to believe is a fruit of the Spirit of God in our lives, for our nature will give us an inclination to turn from God, not to Him.

That goes without saying. No one can come to the Father unless previously drawn.

We are much closer together on man's righteousness than one would imagine. But I am "Calvinistic" (non hyper-Cal) in my view of how man fits into the equation.

I hope so. But my understanding of the 'Calvinistic" view is that man really has no input in the matter. Thus, the idea that man is totally dead and God picks and chooses for His own reasons whom He will send His Spirit to, refusing to send it to others. I personally disagree with this concept, as it makes perseverance, repentance, and obedience a moot point. Certainly we can do none of these without God. But to say that God does it all makes a mockery of Final Judgment.

Regards

2,948 posted on 12/24/2006 12:57:15 PM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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