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To: bornacatholic; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Quester
That's very nice but you looked up the wrong word. I wasn't talking about justification. I was talking about atonement.

Actually, Catholics have changed the meaning of the Atonement, handed down throughout the ages. It no longer mean a blood sacrifice for our sins but simply God showing His love for us. You have St Anselm to thank for that. Hence, all my yaking about "love".

I do find it a hoot that the Catholics try to say, "Well this is what the Protestants also believed." I can find NO writings on Protestants altering the western view of the atonement. The atonement was a price that had to be paid for our sins.

2,746 posted on 12/22/2006 11:49:50 AM PST by HarleyD ("You in Your mercy have led forth the people which You have redeemed." Ex 15:13)
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To: HarleyD; bornacatholic

HD, you'll find this post interesting apropos of your comments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1757380/posts


2,747 posted on 12/22/2006 11:54:49 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: HarleyD
Anselm says at the outset that he will not so much show his disciple the truth he needs, as seek it along with him; and that when he says anything that is not confirmed by higher authority, it must be taken as tentative, and provisional. He adds that, though he may in some measure meet the question, one who is wiser could do it better; and that, whatever man may know or say on this subject, there will always remain deeper reasons that are beyond him. In the same spirit he concludes the whole treatise by submitting it to reasonable correction at the hands of others.

It may be safely said that this is precisely what has come to pass. For the theory put forward by Anselm has been modified by the work of later theologians, and confirmed by the testimony of truth.

*Hmm, I guess you neglected to copy and paste that...

I'm shocked :)

In any event, that is how Doctrine develops in the Church established by Jesus and guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit He sent upon it.

There was an Original Deposit of Faith and the Holy Spirit guides us into a deeper understanding of that Original Deposit. It is just what one would expect from a Church that is living, not a moribund deracinated intellectual project frozen in the 16th century.

2,760 posted on 12/22/2006 1:45:09 PM PST by bornacatholic
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