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To: The_Reader_David
"The Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils speak of the Persons of the Trinity being co-eternal, of the begottenness of the Son and procession of the Spirit from the Father as being eternal."

The Nicene creed from 325, 381 holds that the incarnation was before creation. Of course co-eternal is true from that point on. the procession of the Holy spirit from the father was always true. The Father's person is the Holy Spirit.

2,537 posted on 12/20/2006 4:26:06 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
The Nicene creed from 325, 381 holds that the incarnation was before creation.

No. None of the councils or creeds or fathers ever said such a thing.

The Father's person is the Holy Spirit.

That's heresy, either a form of Sabellianism or Monarchianism.

-A8

2,539 posted on 12/20/2006 4:33:53 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: spunkets

No, you are confused the eternal begetting of the Son from the Father is not His begetting of the Virgin through the Holy Spirit.

Anything 'from some point on' is not eternal in the sense that God is eternal. The Fathers make a distinction between eternity, which is proper to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and to God alone, and the aeon, the one-sided eternity that beings created with the intent that they be permanent--the angels and Man.

If you don't want to use the technical term 'the aeon' to make the distinction, then one can English the distinction with the phrase 'from eternity', useful only in theology, and let eternity mean what you have mistakenly taken it to mean.

Nor is the Father's person the Holy Spirit. The One God is tripersonal, three hypostases--the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit--one ousia.



2,555 posted on 12/20/2006 6:28:14 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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