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Calvin was a heretic and a liar. (And those were his good points).

I 'spose you missed my post where I broke the back of sola scriptura on the rack of absurdity... here it is enjoy...

Hmm...I guess the Church has taught error for more'n 2000 years and it has been dead wrong about Mary's Perpetual Virginity.

*Ok, I'm gonna try my hand at this sola scriptura stuff. Unguided by the Church who wrote and canonised the New Testament, I will take a look at this Scripture and explain its obvious meaing...

And Jesus said: Somebody hath touched me; for I know that virtue is gone out from me. And the woman seeing that she was not hid, came trembling, and fell down before his feet, and declared before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was immediately healed. But he said to her: Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go thy way in peace.

*Ok, it is obvious what Scripture is telling us. Other than a Father, who refers to a young woman as "daughter?" We read in the Scriptures the woman had an issue of blood for twelves years. IOW, she prolly just started mensturating. "Twelve" is, obviously a reference to when she began her period, because "for" can also mean "since" accrd to some scholars.

Prolly, Jesus had a daughter out of wedlock and she was having a tough time with mensturation etc. but she didn't want to embarass Him publicly by identifying Him as her Father, and thereby jeopardising His Ministry, so she just touched His garment...

And, young women were supposd to stay outsiedde the camp when mensturating etc

Hey, that was easy. And fun, and iconoclastic...

What? You say that means that Jesus was a sinner? Well, whatever. It is there in Scripture and trying to deny the obvious is just foolish.

Besides, scholars of today know FAR more than the poorly educated, superstitious, women-hating Church back then... (name one of them who had a College Degree?..or Access to Strong's Dictionary)

Anyways,so what would it matter if Jesus had a daughter? It doesn't specifically say He fathered a child out of wedlock anyways. Prolly, He had maried (Magadalen?) secretly and exchanged vows quietly...In any event, Fathering a daughter was quite common for religious men of his age - even if he, or they, had sinned or not. Children were valuable and they were useful to care for you when you got old..

Besides, whether He was married or not, Jesus had a Daughter, obviously, He identifed her as such and yet He still died for our sins and God still accepted His Sacrifice and we are still Saved.

What is the big deal?

Let's just unite around that essential and agree to disagree about all of these nettlesome, and, face-it, inconsequential inessentials. They only separate us and make for long arguements...

2,185 posted on 12/19/2006 11:40:02 AM PST by bornacatholic

And this is why a good concordance can help in the study of the bible. Knowing that Jesus had no daughter from the scriptures, then we conclude she was one of the other definitions.

Definition

1) a daughter of God

2)acceptable to God, rejoicing in God's peculiar care and protection

3)with the name of a place, city, or region denotes collectively all its inhabitants and citizens

4)a female descendant

I have never heard of such a goofy interpretation of the scriptures in my entire life. The scary thing though is someone who didn't read and seek to understand the bible for themselves might believe it. Hence we get something like the DaVinci code leading febrile minds astray.

The Holy Spirit bears witness to my spirit that Jesus is speaking figuratively there. Since all truth is God's truth, I can claim that. In order to confirm that it was indeed the Spirit bearing witness and helping me to understand that verse, I compare it with other verses. Are there any references in Scripture to Jesus' having a literal daughter? No. Therefore, I am able to deduce, by the God-given mind that I have, that he is speaking of a spiritual/figurative daughter of God. Being Sola Scriptura does not entail interpreting every phrase in the Bible literally. We are aware that the Bible speaks figuratively and poetically at times. The context determines those times. After all, when God says he will hide us in the shadow of His wings, He is not saying that he is a big bird.

"Ok, it is obvious what Scripture is telling us. Other than a Father, who refers to a young woman as "daughter?" "

In Luke 13:15-16, "The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering? And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?" Jesus refers to a woman crippled as a "daughter of Abraham". Obviously she is not Abraham's child but a member of the family of Abraham's seed, just as Jesus refers to the woman as daughter because she was of the family of those that believed in Him. His healing on the sabbath in this instance is like He did at other times in violation of the letter of the man made laws but not the intent of the law as Jesus taught. Lepers came to Him for healing as well as the woman with the issue of blood, all in violation of the letter of the man made law but not the spirit of the law as Jesus taught. That is all contained in the scripture. You don't need to go to tradition or an outside source for the meaning of "come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest."

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