[Texas_shutterbug]

"And Mary did not have any disordered desires, and Joseph likewise, presumably at least did not have disordered sexual desires."

Normal heterosexual temptations are NOT a disordered desire! That desire was put in us by God for us to procreate and as an expression of love. It is one thing to say that they gave up this "good" for something better; it's quite another thing to imply that such sexual desires are disordered.

[adiaireton8]

Normal heterosexual temptations are NOT a disordered desire!

What exactly do you mean by "normal heterosexual temptation"?

-A8

[Texas_shutterbug]

How about like - two normal heterosexuals want to have sex but abstain because they aren't supposed to - like an engaged couple, for instance.

Are you saying that if Joseph wanted to have sex with Mary that was a disordered desire? I DO NOT believe that!

[brwnsuga]

Hence, and I hate to get graphic, the inclusion of the clitoris in G-d's design of women. It has no biological function, other than for the sake of pleasure. G-d meant for the husband and wife to give pleasure to each other to encourage us to want to procreate. I am not anti-Catholic. But I seem to sense a disdain or fear of sexual pleasure coming from some of them. There is no scripture saying that Mother Mary remained a virgin for the rest of her days. And if she slept with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to Jesus, it doesn't diminish her in any way.