Wrong again, but nice try. Yeshua speaks of His departure being a prerequisite for the delivery of the Spirit in John 15:26: "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." Are you suggesting that post-Resurrection the Messiah Yeshua became disembodied again?
You seem to have been pulled into a peculiar kind of modalism.
There's no posibility of preexisting flesh here.
A most curious block you seem to have stumbled over: You are obsessed with Yeshua's flesh, as if that were all the Son is. Why should it be so confusing to you that a member of the Trinity should pre-exist His incarnation as a Man?
It says' "will come from the stump of Jesse". That's means in the future.
It says that the Branch of Jesse shall also come from Jesse's root. In Hebrew idiom, one's descendants are referred to as one's roots, while one's progenitor is called one's root. (Sha'ul [Paul] uses this same idiom in Rom. 11.) Therefore, the prophecy is saying that the Messiah would be David's descendant, but also his "ancestor"--which is to say his pre-existant Creator.
How is it that you don't even know the basics of Messianic prophecy?
Jesus, born in Bethlehem said in John 10:30, I and the Father are one."
Indeed, being God or in any way a part of God He could claim nothing else: "Hear O Israel, YHVH your God, YHVH is One."
But that just proves my point, of course. Yeshua, the Word and Son of God, pre-existed His Incarnation; therefore, the Trinity pre-exists Miryam.
Until the coming, there is no trinity.
Your conclusion does not follow from your premises. Your "logic" is sloppy.
This is a simple statement. You need to explain it.
The statement is simple enough that it should not need explanation. Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Christ, pre-existed His incarnation as a human being, as did the Father, and as did the Spirit. Since Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all pre-existed the Incarnation, the Trinitarian whole comprised of these Persons likewise pre-existed the Son entering the world in the flesh.
The distinguishing characteristic of the Son is His body that supported the functions of spirit.
Even before the Incarnation, the Son had some manner of body, but it was not a human body. As I said before, Yeshua is called the Angel of YHVH, the Angel of the LORD, in the Tanakh. Who ate with Abraham? Who talked face-to-face with Moses? God, in the Person of the Word.
Besides, the Baptism makes it clear that the Son and the Spirit are not the same, nor is the Son merely a container for the Spirit. Yeshua was the Son of God for thirty years before the Spirit descended upon Him in the form of a dove.
The significance of the Incarnation is not simply that God materialized into the physical universe. He's done that in various forms since the beginning. No, the significance is that He became a human being, born into the world of a woman, fully identified with us in every way so that He could be our Kinsman-Redeemer (read the book of Ruth for the type) and our High Priest:
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (Heb. 4:14-16, NKJV)Only by becoming fully identified with Man in every way could God redeem us in His economy of justice and mercy. Therefore His Word, who had previously been known as the Angel of the LORD, was born into the world as a human being, so that He could be our Kinsman-Redeemer.
Again, this is all the basics of the basics when it comes to the Trinity. How do you not know it?
As per prior post above, Eve is the mother of all the living.
Except Adam, and except the Living God. Tell me, if Mary is the Second Eve, did she not come from the Second Adam as the first Eve came from the first Adam? And did not both come from God, who is the Second Adam?
It is truly amazing that you are so devoted to your worship of a mortal woman that you would steal God's proper glory and give it to her. It is not enough for you that the Bible rightly calls her blessed above all women for the privilege of giving birth to the Messiah Yeshua. No, you want to make her greater than God Himself!
" Wrong again, but nice try. Yeshua speaks of His departure being a prerequisite for the delivery of the Spirit in John 15:26: "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
His deperture was not a prerequisite. The Holy Spirit had come all along. The Holy Spirit came to Mary, Elizabeth and Zechariah. The Holy Spirit was present throughout the OT. John 1:14, "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Notice, the Word became flesh, not was flesh. W/o the flesh, there is only the Holy Spirit. The flesh simply supports the functions of spirit.
"Are you suggesting that post-Resurrection the Messiah Yeshua became disembodied again?"
I have no idea what this means. Disembodied?
"You are obsessed with Yeshua's flesh, as if that were all the Son is. Why should it be so confusing to you that a member of the Trinity should pre-exist His incarnation as a Man?"
It is not all the Son is. His spirit, the Holy Spirit preexisted. That is not the Son though. The distinguishing characteristic of the Son is His flesh, the incarnation, the happening where God became man. W/o that, there is no Son and therefore no Trinity.
" How is it that you don't even know the basics of Messianic prophecy?"
Both passages refer to the incarnation. It is the Holy Spirit of the Father that became flesh and dwelt among us. These passages do not mean Jesus preexisted. It means the Holy Spirit of the Father would become man.
Re: John 10:30
"But that just proves my point, of course. Yeshua, the Word and Son of God, pre-existed His Incarnation; therefore, the Trinity pre-exists Miryam."
You don't know what a trinity is. You'll have to learn what it is before you can understand it. Before the incarnation, there was no trinity. Trinity requires the incarnation and God was not eternally incarnated. The universe is only about 15B y/o.
"Until the coming, there is no trinity. Your conclusion does not follow from your premises. Your "logic" is sloppy."
Explain trinity.
"Only by becoming fully identified with Man in every way could God redeem us in His economy of justice and mercy. Therefore His Word, who had previously been known as the Angel of the LORD, was born into the world as a human being, so that He could be our Kinsman-Redeemer."
It was the Holy Spirit that was known and became incarnated.
Re: As per prior post above, Eve is the mother of all the living.
"Except Adam, and except the Living God."
The prior post quoted Gen. Adam named Eve. As I said, Eve is the great, however many times grandmother of Mary, who was the Mother of God. That is a truth regarding the incarnation.
"Tell me, if Mary is the Second Eve, did she not come from the Second Adam as the first Eve came from the first Adam? And did not both come from God, who is the Second Adam?"
Mary is the Mother of God. She is the Mother that gave birth to God and facilited the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. God is the Father of all the living, w/o exception. That includes His incarnation, the beginning of His Trinity.