[HarleyD]

And that is exactly what this is, a cult of the Virgin Mary. I was reading tonight where a picture of Mary was place above a picture of the Trinity in the Vatican in 1864. Sad really. I'd love to go to the Vatican and redecorate.

I wonder what John, Peter, Paul or even Mary would have thought if someone had said, "Say, Virgin Mary. I heard how Jesus just popped out of you without destroying your virginity like light passing through glass. Must have been a big surprise on your hubby." They'd be laughed out of the Jerusalem Council.

Honestly, people come up with the wackiest idea based upon nothing more than some medieval superstition nonsense that was probably though up by some little monk who had too much time on his hands. Everyone just sat around saying, "Ooooohhhh, Friar Bob. We think you're on to something." The trouble is you would think we'd be clever enough by now to understand.

[adiaireton8]

Harley, it wasn't "Friar Bob". The issue was important enough that it was pronounced in the Fifth Ecumenical Council (of 533 AD)that Mary was a "perpetual virgin".

You don't see the importance, mostly because you have a gnostic view of virginity such that for you it does not matter how Jesus was born. Whereas the Church's view of virginity is such that Jesus had to have been botn a certain way so as not to corrupt Mary's virginity. The Savior could not have been the corruptor.

-A8

[annalex]

medieval superstition nonsense that was probably though up by some little monk who had too much time on his hands

Oh please. Say what you will about Luther, he kept his hands very busy.