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To: jo kus

Surely you're not going to start an argument over Jesus's eternal pre-existance? He was the Alpha and Omega, was at Creation, and was a Theophany several times in the Old Testament.

He is not a nature but a person. That person, the 2nd person of the trinity, whose name means Jehovah Saves and God with us was eternally preexistent to Mary.

His human body in the form of that which passed through Mary's womb did not (though he apparently took on human forms earlier in Scripture as theophanies. Or at least anthromorphic forms.)

And I understand what you all mean by "Mother of God." I still object to the term for the reasons before stated.

I reject Marian theology that finds its origin outside of Scripture because it is anti-Scriptural.


2,138 posted on 12/19/2006 9:22:42 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger
I reject Marian theology that finds its origin outside of Scripture because it is anti-Scriptural.

Your *claim* that whatever is outside Scripture is anti-Scriptural is itself outside Scripture, and therefore (according to the claim itself) anti-Scriptural. So if you are going to be consistent, you'll reject your own *claim*.

-A8

2,142 posted on 12/19/2006 9:30:31 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Blogger
Surely you're not going to start an argument over Jesus's eternal pre-existance? He was the Alpha and Omega, was at Creation, and was a Theophany several times in the Old Testament.

In human terms, Jesus did not exist for all time, but was born of the virgin in Nazareth. In God's terms, Jesus ALWAYS exists, since God is in the present, the first and the last. The Word BECAME flesh - but this is God's condescension in the bible to enable us to understand Him. In God's "time", He always IS in the flesh....(does that twist your noodle?) I thought I explained that in a recent post.

He is not a nature but a person. That person, the 2nd person of the trinity, whose name means Jehovah Saves and God with us was eternally preexistent to Mary.

You are misunderstanding me. I certainly did not say that Jesus is a nature. He is the Hypostatic Union which in human time, did not exist before. Jesus is both God and man. This state of existence did not predate Mary - in human terms. Now, for God, certainly, Jesus always exists - but I do not think I will be able to explain how God IS creating the universe AND IS seeing to its end in one moment...

I reject Marian theology that finds its origin outside of Scripture because it is anti-Scriptural.

What a ridiculous statement... Everything that is said is thus anti-Scriptural unless it is a direct quote of Scriptures. Have you considered that your understanding of Scriptures is lacking?

Regards

2,152 posted on 12/19/2006 9:52:08 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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