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To: Forest Keeper; adiaireton8
When Jesus prayed, was He just talking to Himself? Or, when He asked for the cup to be taken away, was that an internal conflict God was having? I don't think so

So, then, FK, when Jesus was praying, what was God the Word doing? I think you are mixing up nature or essence with Person. You are trying to think of Him either as God in one moment and as man in another, in a schizophrenic way, separated from the divine – kind of like multiple personalities.

A8 is right: that is Nestorianism.

Truth is, whatever Christ did or does, at no time was in conflict with either of His two natures, or separate from His natures. That's why His Incarnation, Mary's pregnancy and birth, were not your "natural."

But, if a scientist examined those tears and compared them with those of a normal person, would he see any difference?

Of course not, just as His flesh was human flesh and his DNA was that of Mary's human DNA ( but not "natural" in that, technically speaking, such DNA would make Him genetically a female haploid).

2,086 posted on 12/19/2006 4:51:26 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; adiaireton8; Kolokotronis
So, then, FK, when Jesus was praying, what was God the Word doing? I think you are mixing up nature or essence with Person. You are trying to think of Him either as God in one moment and as man in another, in a schizophrenic way, separated from the divine – kind of like multiple personalities.

I don't think the Jesus who walked around was schizophrenic in any way. He was unified. At the same time it makes no sense that Jesus would pray to Himself. Yet He prayed to the Father. Of the exact mechanics of this I am unsure. It is a mystery. I would think you would have some sympathy for this view. :)

Truth is, whatever Christ did or does, at no time was in conflict with either of His two natures, or separate from His natures.

I fully agree.

[continuing:] That's why His Incarnation, Mary's pregnancy and birth, were not your "natural."

Here I must disagree. :) What is "natural"? Did Christ grow a beard? If He did, then was that "natural"? If you say "no" because the hairs belonged to Christ and everything about Christ is supernatural, then you have simply defined the term in a certain way, and that is fine with me. If "yes", then that is what I am talking about. I happen to think that my view better emphasizes that Christ was fully human.

Of course not, just as His flesh was human flesh and his DNA was that of Mary's human DNA ( but not "natural" in that, technically speaking, such DNA would make Him genetically a female haploid).

I don't think Jesus was any resemblance to a human clone of Mary (except male). I think Mary's DNA contributed in the normal way toward a child together with what was given by the Holy Spirit. This "act" was wholly supernatural. However, I think Jesus had normal human blood that was, in fact, natural.

2,703 posted on 12/21/2006 9:36:01 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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