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To: Pyro7480; wagglebee

Very well.

#1 Catholics do not have a monopoly on Mary and while they may complain, they have no right to demand of Protestants that Mary be portrayed in all movies in the Catholic way. If she was portrayed in a biblical way, they shouldn't take issue.
#2 Catholicism presents a faith plus works gospel. As such, it has a false gospel. We do not have these conversations because of any insecurity on our part, but because we care enough to try to steer you away from serious error.

#3 Mary was the Mother of Jesus and a blessed woman. She was not deity. She wasn't close to deity. She wasn't above other humans. She was blessed. In Catholicism, Mary is elevated to Christ-like status. She is the mediator. Co-redeemer. Advocate. These teachings are heresy no matter how they are framed.

There is ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN and that is Jesus.
We have one advocate before the Father- Jesus.
Christ alone is our redeemer.

Do not ascribe to human beings Titles which belong to Christ alone. Even humans who happen to have been His earthly mother.

As to making a movie about Jewish beliefs- uh- NEWSFLASH-- this movie wasn't about Jewish beliefs nor the Catholic Church. It wasn't about the Greek Orthodox Church. It was about the INCARNATION OF JESUS CHRIST AS TOLD IN SCRIPTURE. It may have some non-biblical parts in it. I don't condone those. But whereas it reflects Scripture's portrayal of all characters involved - all true Christians should embrace it.


2,059 posted on 12/18/2006 8:12:52 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger; wagglebee
Catholicism presents a faith plus works gospel. As such, it has a false gospel.

It can be very much argued the same way with your beliefs.

We do not have these conversations because of any insecurity on our part, but because we care enough to try to steer you away from serious error.

See above.

2,061 posted on 12/18/2006 8:17:29 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Blogger; Pyro7480
It was about the INCARNATION OF JESUS CHRIST AS TOLD IN SCRIPTURE. It may have some non-biblical parts in it. I don't condone those.

And the article that started this thread is about the NON-SCRIPTURAL PARTS of the movie. There is NOTHING IN SCRIPTURE about the Blessed Virgin having other children, having sex, etc. You might assume that these events occurred, but that doesn't make them right. And the reality is that what most of the Protestants on this thread have been doing is condoning the non-biblical portions of the movie and these non-biblical portions are what offends Catholics. Obviously, my comparison to what would happen if Jewish beliefs were portrayed incorrectly was lost on you, so I will not go through it again.

As for the assertion about "faith plus works" being a "false gospel," perhaps you should read the Epistle of James or the latter portion of Matthew Chapter 25. Now I realize that Luther tried his best to justify removing James from Canon, but couldn't do it, but it's there and it says what it says. And Matthew 25 IS GOSPEL and a direct quote from Christ. Paul DID NOT WRITE A GOSPEL, he wrote letters. The term "justified by faith" does not appear anywhere in the four Gospels, the term "by faith alone" does not appear in any true translation of Scripture.

2,148 posted on 12/19/2006 9:43:02 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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