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To: Blogger

ALL. Before we go down this "Mary as Mother of God" road, lets admit one thing. There are some mysteries we can not explain. We think we have a handle on them, but elements of them remain a mystery. How God could become a man and be 100% God and still 100% man is one such mystery.

Regardless. Mary had no divinity in herself to give Jesus divinity - but he didn't need it. He existed before Mary.

At no point did he ever cease to exist. He had no beginning, as God. He had a beginning as man. Mary gave birth to man, but God the Son was eternally preexistent.

I am not denying Jesus' divinity.
I am not denying the unity of his humanity with his divinity.
I am not denying the trinity.
I am not denying that Jesus was a person (who also was one in person and nature with God- being God Himself)
I am denying that Mary gave God a beginning as God. She was not the mother of God in the sense that she gave him a beginning. Her Son was God. But she didn't give him his beginning as God. She gave him his beginning as man.

A mystery? Sure. But not too difficult for God.


1,668 posted on 12/17/2006 7:35:07 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

One thing that seems to be a mysterey to you is the meaning of "Mother of God." as Catholics use the term. It is simply that Mary bore the man-God Jesus. It was through her that God became incarnate.


1,672 posted on 12/17/2006 7:41:10 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHI)
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To: Blogger
I am denying that Mary gave God a beginning as God. She was not the mother of God in the sense that she gave him a beginning. Her Son was God. But she didn't give him his beginning as God. She gave him his beginning as man.

You're very close. It all depends on how you are using that little word "as" both times. Mary did not give to the Logos His divine nature. But she did give to the Logos His human nature, His human beginning. She is the Mother of the Logos (and hence the Mother of God) because she gave birth to the Logos according to His human nature.

-A8

1,688 posted on 12/17/2006 8:12:33 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Blogger

I'm glad you clarified your earlier post! I was getting ready to post "NESTORIANISM". :)


1,766 posted on 12/18/2006 4:20:09 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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