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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
The Evangelist says it is. And we believe John wrote what the Spirit revealed:....Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. [John 2:15]

I stand corrected but it is difficult not to love this beautiful creation.

Can you quote a verse that says that (i.e. "if possible")? Or are you just making theology on the fly?

(Rom.12:18)If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

But if you could help that man recognize Christ he would repent and would shed tears and would beg God and that woman for forgiveness. And God would save another lost soul. You are confusing love of your enemies with their acts, not their souls. You'd rather see them killed with no chance of repentance, then try to help them accept Christ.

I would love to see all souls saved and I would love for everyone to hear and heed God's Word - it won't happen in this age nor in the next one. How could I help anyone accept Christ if they kill me?

And He said two were too many ("enough then"). And He also ordered Peter to put his sword away. And as far as I can remember, He never told the Apostles to use the sword to kill their enemies.

He told Peter to put his sword away because He came to earth to do the thing Peter was trying to save Him from.

He also said: Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Now...that sword may be the "sword of truth", but it may also be one to fight with.

It could be He thought two swords were enough but He told them to take a sword - Then said He unto them, "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.(Luke 22:36)

Also, I just noticed another verse that pertains to a discussion we had yesterday - He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me (Matt.10:37). Here it doesn't say we must "hate" our family but must not love them as much. That shows the other scripture must have been improperly translated.

True, but they still have their noses above water.... Matter of opinion.

True - some of them are bottom feeders (but most of ours are better than most of theirs).

Then you must not have much faith that God will protect us (remember walking on water?). What you are saying is what Judaism and Islam teach, not Christianity.

Of course He will protect us from what we cannot protect ourselves from. I don't think He wants us to stand as a zombie. He provides the bricks and we provide the labor.

Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.....Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.....Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great. [Mat 5: 10-12]

These all pertain to when you are teaching others about Him. That is when you are expected to turn the other cheek.

God knows. But He is not partial, and He offers His blessings to everyone, the righteous and the unrighteous.

Yes He knows but His grace offers it to them until their last breath.

16,228 posted on 07/21/2007 8:28:10 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; Forest Keeper
it is difficult not to love this beautiful creation

You can appreciate it and love it, but not become attached to it. It is His world and His beauty and His greatness is reflected in His work. Admire it, respect it, but do not grab for it.

(Rom.12:18) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men

But, in context [Rom 12:17-19]

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord.

Paul is telling us not to sin if possible; he never say pick up a a word if you can't live in peace with them. Do not repay evil for evil ... never take revenge does not say "if possible." You must, as much as possible within your heart, to live in peace with others, shunning sin.

I would love to see all souls saved and I would love for everyone to hear and heed God's Word - it won't happen in this age nor in the next one. How could I help anyone accept Christ if they kill me?

Those who believe walk on water and leave everything to God. The Bible is full of miracles (which I presume many use as a talking point but really don't believe), and instances where God spared others because of their prayers and faith.

I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add fifteen years to your life [Isa 38:5]

He told Peter to put his sword away because He came to earth to do the thing Peter was trying to save Him from

But he never tells them to use the sword to kill their enemies, does He?

It could be He thought two swords were enough but He told them to take a sword - Then said He unto them, "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.(Luke 22:36)

In context [Luke 22: 36-38]

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied."

The whole section is mumb-jumbo unrelated to anything. If you think someone mistranslated the word "hate," this whole block looks like someone mixed and-mismatched several verses into one nonsense.

True - some of them are bottom feeders (but most of ours are better than most of theirs)

More opinion. Thanks for sharing.

He wants us to stand as a zombie. He provides the bricks and we provide the labor

First you treat as dying for Christ as a "loss." That's because your focus is here and now, on the world. You feel that you have the right to stay as long as you can and that somehow going to the Lord "prematurely" is undesirable, although your birth certificate gives no time span.

Second, you assume that not using evil means "standing like a zombie." There are ways to resist and evade without resorting to evil. There are ways to fight without resorting to evil. That's why we have a judicial system and not vigilante "justice." We must do everything to stop the evil short of returning evil for evil because we do not inflict evil on those we love and if we love God then we love our enemies too and wish them no evil.

Yes He knows but His grace offers it to them until their last breath

God doesn't do things Himself, He uses us to do His work; he used Noah, and Abraham and Moses and the prophets and patriarchs, and the saints for that purpose. So, if we are true believers, ours is to try to make the other person see God through us, to be used by God, but for that to happen we must be God-like enough for His light to shine through us for our enemies to see and believe.

16,230 posted on 07/21/2007 9:34:32 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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