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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
The Bible seems to disagree with you....For [in the last days] men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good — 2 Tim 3:2-3

There is no disagreement. He tells us that is what the end of days will be like and it is. Why does that disagree with me?

Nice rationalization,

It may be, I don't know but I do know he told us to honor our parents so how can He want us to hate them? It makes no sense. There has to be a mistranslation. You cannot "hate" what you love.

He gave us what was needed. But what have we done with it? Rather than cry and moan, why not ask ourselves what examples are we to the world? Does anyone recognize Christ in us as a nation? Or in us as individuals? Is all the evil in the world in many ways not our failure?

He did give us laws to take evil away but our liberal friends watered it down so 20 years after a murder he gets off and murders again. I do cry but I don't moan. I believe in action Kosta, I believe in the sword. If someone doesn't recognize Christ in us then they just see the suface that the liberal media likes to show the world. The evil in the world is NOT our failure but the workings of those against God, our enemies. Our failure would be in allowing them to continue.

Have Christian nations been free of wars, malice, murder, crime, arrogance, love of money...etc, etc. etc.?

No, our very freedom allows evil to work right beside us but again, this is not heaven. It is a time for God to see who will follow Him.

Now, there are a few true saints among us...very few.

Very few is right. I've met some wonderful people but I don't know if even they would qualify. Perhaps He doesn't expect anyone, except Himself, to be perfect and will accept us, warts and all.

16,214 posted on 07/20/2007 10:56:25 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; Forest Keeper
Why does that disagree with me?

It merely states that our love of the world is the manifestation of evil that is in us.

 I don't know but I do know he told us to honor our parents so how can He want us to hate them? It makes no sense. There has to be a mistranslation. You cannot "hate" what you love. 

We seem to have no problem hating our enemies that we "love," even killing them

He did give us laws to take evil away but our liberal friends watered it down so 20 years after a murder he gets off and murders again

Our liberal friends are no angles, for sure. But last time I checked our conservative friends don't walk on water either. If it was only our liberal friends, that would be easy; trouble is bilateral! :)

I believe in action Kosta, I believe in the sword

Ah, yes, the loving swordLive by the sword, love by the sword.

If someone doesn't recognize Christ in us then they just see the surface that the liberal media likes to show the world

I know, I think I saw a halo last time I checked Rush Limbaugh's picture.

No, our very freedom allows evil to work right beside us but again, this is not heaven. It is a time for God to see who will follow Him

So, all that evil is really "good" for us then? Why have a sword then? If we got rid of the evil God wouldn't know who would follow Him! LOL!

Very few is right. I've met some wonderful people but I don't know if even they would qualify. Perhaps He doesn't expect anyone, except Himself, to be perfect and will accept us, warts and all

You mean there is no critical wart mass that will get us banned? So, just how imperfect is acceptable?

16,223 posted on 07/20/2007 9:29:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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