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To: Ping-Pong; Forest Keeper
No, it wasn't for nothing. You have taught me that well Kosta. Their martyrdom did give Christianity strength but we shouldn't all be martyrs. Fighting and/or standing our ground will also give it strength and respect. If we were all martyrs there would be no Christianity. Then who would teach the others?

Why does it matter if you firmly believe you get to go to heaven?  The early Christians thought -- the sooner the better. But we have come to "love the world" and are attached to things and people more than to God, aren't we? Let God decide when it's our time, and we should worry to follow in His steps.

Although we profess that God's bliss is infinitely better than anything we can possibly have, we would rather extend our stay here a little longer...a lot longer...what kind of a faith is that? It's our faith, on our terms, and on our time. Why, I don't think it's faith at all! It seems to me, not even the most publicly pious are eager to meet God.

The NT tells us

For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him -- Phil 1:29

For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps -- 1 Pet 2:21

 


 

16,206 posted on 07/20/2007 8:44:33 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
But we have come to "love the world" and are attached to things and people more than to God, aren't we? Let God decide when it's our time, and we should worry to follow in His steps.

No, I don't think so. When I first read the following scripture I thought, but how could you do that? "If any man come to Me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, year, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple" (Luke 14:26)

Now I know how that can be done. First, I have been told and believe that the word "hate" should be "love less". (He would not want us to hate, especially our family when He tells us to honor our parents). We must love our family less than Him. As difficult as that is I have reached that point. His love can save them and I do love Him more. I trust them to Him.

Feeling that way I can honestly tell you that I am ready and wish His time was NOW. I want the evil to stop. I do not love the world more but there are times that I ask for His protection in this life so I can allow Him to touch someone through me.

You quoted: For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him -- Phil 1:29

I have a very blessed life and am strong and healthy physically (and I hope mentally :) I have an easy, happy life with family I love. In that respect I don't "suffer for him", but when I see what is happening in the world, when I see people's head being cut off, disgusting perverts harming innocent children, our innocent children being bombarded by filth on television, radio, schools, drugs, pornography, hate, starvation, stupidity, cruelty - then I suffer and can't wait for it to be over and Him to be in control.

16,208 posted on 07/20/2007 9:33:05 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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