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To: kosta50; jo kus; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; annalex; redgolum; blue-duncan
I thought the world to come will be the a new Earth and a new Jerusalem, not Heaven, except that this time it will be "just right." I believe the name is the Kingdom of Heaven, not the Heaven itself. This concept is a derivation of the Judaic messianic belief that the (physical) world will be transformed into the World to Come, where peace and happiness will reign forever.

I wasn't thinking in these terms when I commented about the "next world". I actually have no idea if there is any standardized thinking concerning the "Millennium" in either Catholicism or Orthodoxy. There surely is NOT among Protestants, even Reformed ones. I suppose I would consider myself "Pre-mil", although by no means am I a finger-wagger on the subject of eschatology. :) In any case, whether we are talking about the New Jerusalem, or "celestial" Heaven, I still don't think it would be possible for another Fall in either. That is, if there even IS a difference between New Jerusalem and "celestial" Heaven. Many do not believe there is. Many also do not believe that New Jerusalem could actually be "ON" earth, since the dimensions given would put the vast majority of it in outer space. I've never studied it in depth.

... A new, and reformed world, where everyone loves God with all his heart and mind and soul and his neighbor as himself. We are actually capable of creating such a world if all of humanity truly loved God.

I respectfully disagree. The only possibility for all humanity to truly love God would be via God's direct intervention and decree. We would not be capable.

We have been given more than enough blessings and showered with all sorts of abilities and skills to make this world a true paradise on earth, where there will be no fear, no violence and eventually no death.

New Jerusalem will be headed by Christ Himself, not the prince of this world. There will be no comparison to anything humans could come up with.

When we are given new bodies, we will not be floating around in the universe.

Why not? Our new bodies may or may not be subject to any sense of gravity in Heaven. I don't have any information either way, but I see both possibilities as being open.

1,619 posted on 12/16/2006 6:41:03 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
"... A new, and reformed world, where everyone loves God with all his heart and mind and soul and his neighbor as himself. We are actually capable of creating such a world if all of humanity truly loved God.

I respectfully disagree. The only possibility for all humanity to truly love God would be via God's direct intervention and decree. We would not be capable."

He did, FK. Its called the Incarnation. Well, its time that you read this:

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/history/ath-inc.htm

This is a foundational work of Christianity by one of the greatest Fathers. Let me know what you think.

1,620 posted on 12/16/2006 6:52:03 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; annalex; redgolum; blue-duncan
The only possibility for all humanity to truly love God would be via God's direct intervention and decree

Maybe you have heard of Incarnation and Resurrection?

New Jerusalem will be headed by Christ Himself, not the prince of this world

Christ is also from this world. He was born, walked, died and resurrected in it.

There will be no comparison to anything humans could come up with

Then you must not believe that those "in heaven" will be Christ-like.

1,625 posted on 12/16/2006 9:36:47 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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