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To: Ping-Pong
The serpent is Satan, the Devil and he beguiled Adam and Eve - there was no apple! He wasn't a real snake, he wasn't just temptation, he wasn't just a tree

The idea of the satan (devil) as seen in Christian theology did not exist in Judaism when Genesis was written. In Judaism, satan is an obedient angel of God. The serpent is allegory for temptation.

The tree and its beautiful fruit is the temptation, and Eve's "conversation" with the Serpent is her inner self rationalizing that the fruit is really good and meet to eat, convincing herself that there is no reason why she shouldn't have it. We do this every day, against our better judgment.

[the serpent] was here at the beginning and he will be at the end

Yes, we will be tempted by things we shouldn't have all along. That's the nature of the physical world.

15,797 posted on 06/28/2007 6:14:48 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD

Meant to ping you for #15797


15,801 posted on 06/28/2007 7:43:51 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
In Judaism, satan is an obedient angel of God. The serpent is allegory for temptation.

Satan, at one time, was an obedient angel of God but he rebelled. He is not allegory for anything. He is very real.

The tree and its beautiful fruit is the temptation, and Eve's "conversation" with the Serpent is her inner self rationalizing that the fruit is really good and meet to eat, convincing herself that there is no reason why she shouldn't have it...

Kosta the tree and his "fruit" is Satan. She didn't just have a conversation with him or her "inner self". She sinned. Satan, as described by God in Ezekiel 28 tells us how loved by God he was before his fall.

28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty
13.Thou has been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Yes, we will be tempted by things we shouldn't have all along. That's the nature of the physical world.

Do you believe temptation is all we fight against?

Gen.3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

He is the enemy and he is much more than mere temptation.

15,805 posted on 06/28/2007 4:35:42 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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