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To: Mad Dawg
It just strikes me as the kind of deceit that needs a willing victim, one open to the possibility the God, uh, misspoke.

There is a difference between being deceived and sinning willfully. Adam knew full well what he was doing. Eve didn't. It didn't excused Eve, but her punishment was not as severe as Adam. Christians are fully capable of being deceived and are warned against it.

It isn't that Eve was a "willing" victim; she was naive. Both her and Adam's problem resided in the fact that they failed to seek the Lord's guidance on the matter. But their failure was the result of two different types of temptations.

15,767 posted on 06/25/2007 5:48:05 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
I think you would really enjoy Perelandra, if you haven't already tackled it. It's an easy and pleasant read. Somewhere I heard the Lewis thought it was the most beautiful thing he wrote.

Just to string this out a little: There was once a guy who tried to get me into a financial deal. His big mistake was that he told me I was obviously a smart and savvy guy. Now I'm usually a sucker for flattery. (How intelligent you must be to realize and appreciate my gifts!) But I KNOW I'm not "intelligent and savvy". So I knew right there that this guy was selling e a line of goods.I'm suggesting that when the snake says,"You shall not surely die," there is a little bit of something like cooperation on Eve's part to the extent that she willingly entertains the idea that God didn't tell her the truth.

15,775 posted on 06/26/2007 4:43:09 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: HarleyD
I feel I should share the REAL story of what happened in Eden.

The actual command was do not MOVE the tree in the middle of the housegarden-keeping, she began to get ideas.

The average guy thinks things look fine and work fine right where they are. Adam was like that.

But Eve wanted to rearrange things, just a little.

And the snake was actually an interior decorator named Stanley. Like a certain group of allegedly male individuals who are not matrimonially inclined, his deal was to side with the woman against the man.

AND he NEVER said to Eve,"You shall not surely die." What he said was,"Oh, sweetie! You've done a wonderful job with this place! It's so CUTE! But, hmm, well, Honeycakes, let me tell you, it's still not right. That tree there, you know, the one in the midst? It's just so, oh I don't know, so BLAH there. It doesn't SAY anything. It's just sitting there.

"What you need to do, honey, you need to move it just a little over to the left - break up the symmetry a little."

Eve says, "Gee. I don't know. I mean God put it there. And it looks okay to me."

Stanley said, "Oh Honey, take my advice, move it over there. When you see what it looks like, you'll just DIE!"

So when Adam got home from a hard but rewarding day of tilling and keeping and all he wanted to do was sit down. His left hand kept curling as though it expected to grasp a cold cylinder of some kind and his eyes rested on the middle distance, while his right hand just naturally felt comfortable holding a rectangular object which he would periodically point at the middle distance while his thumb or index finger played on the surface.

But Eve said, "Dear, before you get settled, could you just move this tree over for me a little?"

Of course Adam said, Honey, it's fine where it is." But Eve said,"Oh darling, you're so big and strong, it won't be hard for you to move it. I just want to see what it looks like over there."

The rest is history.

The study of the Bible is full of surprises.

15,777 posted on 06/26/2007 5:11:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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