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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper
Eve did not make a "free decision" to disobey; she was deceived. It states this twice in scriptures.

I agree. But her failure to repent,,when given the opportunity to do so, was a free decision.

To say Eve made a "free" decision while being deceived is like saying people who are tricked into signing a document made a free decision.

Absolutely. But she was not tricked by God when Who gave her a chance to repent.

This is a rather important point in understanding the fall of Adam. It was because of Adam that the race died, tainted by original sin (which the Orthodox don't believe); not because of Eve.

It was his fault because Eve was his, she belonged to him, and he was responsible for her. The Bible authors believed that man is the head and the head is responsible. It had nothing to do with deception but with who is in charge. And who is in charge takes the blame.

The unforgivable sin was not that they abused their freedom, since freedom carries the potential to disobey, but their refusal to show remorse, their failure to repent when given the opportunity to do so.

There are only two choices; God's way or sin. That's it.

That is correct. Not only are they our choices, but they are our free choices.

PS [the original sin] "which the Orthodox don't believe in."

The Orthodox do believe in original (ancestral) sin, as the sin committed by Adam and Eve. We do not believe that we are born with the blame that they they deserved; only with consequence of their wrongdoing, just as a drug-addicted infant born of a drug-addicted mother suffers the consequence of being addicted to drugs, but is free from any guilt associated with its mothers' sin.

15,761 posted on 06/25/2007 6:53:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
I agree. But her failure to repent,,when given the opportunity to do so, was a free decision.

But she was not tricked by God...

The Bible authors believed that man is the head and the head is responsible.

Not only are they our choices, but they are our free choices. The Orthodox do believe in original (ancestral) sin, as the sin committed by Adam and Eve. We do not believe that we are born with the blame that they they deserved; only with consequence of their wrongdoing...


15,768 posted on 06/25/2007 6:01:06 PM PDT by HarleyD
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