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To: jo kus
I suppose this is my cue that it is time to close our conversation. I do not have the desire to listen to your continuing remarks that twist my explanations.

Oh, Come on Joe, YOU struck first. :) You said:

"The Holy Spirit doesn't lead us to read the Bible if it means separating ourselves from the community that He is the Soul, the Life Force."

I took you to mean that the Holy Spirit does not lead anyone to read the Bible if he is not a Roman Catholic. This is a very offensive statement (but I can take it), so, I answered in kind. Now, if you did not mean that, then I apologize and would ask you to reiterate in a different way.

My contention was that the Spirit leads ALL believers in faith to take in God's word, and you were disagreeing with that. What else was I supposed to think you meant?

15,755 posted on 06/25/2007 3:39:02 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
I took you to mean that the Holy Spirit does not lead anyone to read the Bible if he is not a Roman Catholic. This is a very offensive statement (but I can take it), so, I answered in kind. Now, if you did not mean that, then I apologize and would ask you to reiterate in a different way.

I did not mean that at all. I have never said such a thing. I am not claiming any sort of "infallible reading ability" and I am Catholic. We as Catholics have a wide lattitude in reading the Scriptures. I have tried to explain this - saying is that when there is a disagreement on an article of faith - for example, is Jesus God (Arianism of the fourth century), we are to turn to our leaders and the Tradition once given. Otherwise, the Church would split and fracture into many denominations. The Church doesn't have a guide book on individual verses!

Also, I do not find where the Bible says that the Spirit leads individuals, even Roman Catholics, to understand the Bible SEPERATELY from the community. We see this in Acts 8, for example. We see this in the mere appointment of leaders to protect the once-given faith. Now, if you can point to me where the Bible says otherwise, I am listening. But if you intend on repeating the same mantra that the Catholic Church teaches "x" when she doesn't, then all I can do is explain our teachings. It is up to you to accept them or not. All I ask is you be honest with yourself and try to understand what I am actually saying, not what you think I say based on what your pastor told you about the evils of Catholicism.

My contention was that the Spirit leads ALL believers in faith to take in God's word, and you were disagreeing with that.

There is a huge difference in "taking in God's Word" and fully understanding every verse to the point of disagreeing with what the Church teaches. Faith comes from HEARING the Word proclaimed - seeing it in action, not from reading.

Regards

15,757 posted on 06/25/2007 4:32:29 AM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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