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To: HarleyD
Is everything PLANNED (ordained) by God-yes.

Somewhere along the line you're going to run into an anomaly. Either it is the anomaly of Predestination and Free Will working together, or the anomaly of God ordaining all things and yet sin being one of the things He must have ordained.

If you,re going to tell us a person committing the sin does it out of an unrighteous, evil desire and purpose, that is Free Will. He decides to do evil.

The Calvinist God is so weak that he has to take away man's free will so that He can make sure all gets done as planned.

The Catholic/Orthodox God is so powerful that He can accomplish the same plan, even though He gives man a free will.

Dear Harley,have you ever thought about things in this way?

I wish you a Blessed Evening!

15,658 posted on 06/10/2007 1:14:40 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
Somewhere along the line you're going to run into an anomaly....of Predestination and Free Will

So I thought. I have yet to run into an anomaly under the Predestination model and, yes, I have tried.

The Calvinist God is so weak that he has to take away man's free will so that He can make sure all gets done as planned.

You can't take away something you've never had. We are either slaves to sin or slave to righteousness.

15,659 posted on 06/10/2007 5:39:52 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: stfassisi; HarleyD
The Calvinist God is so weak that he has to take away man's free will so that He can make sure all gets done as planned. The Catholic/Orthodox God is so powerful that He can accomplish the same plan, even though He gives man a free will.

You hit the nail on the head, brother. Bullseye!

15,669 posted on 06/11/2007 9:13:26 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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