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To: TomSmedley
Folk catholicism does, indeed, regard, celebrate, and treat the BVM as a friendlier deity than the Trinity. The cult of the BVM, in practice (if not in official dogma) is a para-Christian religion with an alternate deity, alternate revelation, alternate plan of salvation, alternate mysticism, etc. Just like Mormonism, which also provides point-for-point substitutes to Christianity.

*That is a nasty and false accusation. And it is an OLD accusation.

In The City of God St Augustine took the time to refute such false accusations.

The fact you insist you have some sort of right to make such ugly charges does not mean they are true or representative of Catholicissm just means you have pleaded guilty to thinking the worst of others. That really ain't Christian, brother

155 posted on 12/05/2006 10:39:13 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: TomSmedley
CHAP. 27.---CONCERNING THE NATURE OF THE HONOR WHICH THE CHRISTIANS PAY TO THEIR MARTYRS.

But, nevertheless, we do not build temples, and ordain priests, rites, and sacrifices for these same martyrs; for they are not our gods, but their God is our God. Certainly we honor their reliquaries, as the memorials of holy men of God who strove for the truth even to the death of their bodies, that the true religion might be made known, and false and fictitious religions exposed. For if there were some before them who thought that these religions were really false and fictitious, they were afraid to give expression to their convictions. But who ever heard a priest of the faithful, standing at an altar built for the honor and worship of God over the holy body of some martyr, say in the prayers, I offer to thee a sacrifice, O Peter, or O Paul, or O Cyprian? for it is to God that sacrifices are offered at their tombs,--the God who made them both men and martyrs, and associated them with holy angels in celestial honor; and the reason why we pay such honors to their memory is, that by so doing we may both give thanks to the true God for their victories, and, by recalling them afresh to remembrance, may stir ourselves up to imitate them by seeking to obtain like crowns and palms, calling to our help that same God on whom they called. Therefore, whatever honors the religions may pay in the places of the martyrs, they are but honors rendered to their memory,(1) not sacred rites or sacrifices offered to dead men as to gods.

*IF you think Catholic Laity worship Mary, check every single Missal ever produced a single solitary prayer wherein we Catholics offer sacrifice to Mary

157 posted on 12/05/2006 10:51:48 AM PST by bornacatholic
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